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Old 01-06-2013, 05:07 AM   #3212
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So, based on responses, I'm gonna clean it up (so that I can more closely monitor it in future), buy a replacement seal (p/n: 0760324571), make sure I have the DirtTricks washer and keep riding

From the schematic, it looks like I can replace that from the outside without too much effort of special tools.

In the meantime, I know it's been stated here what other KTM model [rear] wheel will fit the FE570 - but could someone reiterate for me? I want to see if I can source a used cush wheel, and if I know what other KTM model wheels will fit (both with and without cush as stock), I can hopefully find something used at a reasonable price (new is a hard option to stretch to right now - $$$)
When you say you replace the seal,your doing the 0-ring/bushing/seal all at once?
KTM's and many other bikes have had that same combo around the countershaft for a long time.
Ive usually had to do it once each on the 14 KTM's Ive had since 1978. Dirt sneaks in and causes leaks.
I have a 530 now so I'll maybe try one of the DT domed washers.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:16 AM   #3213
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So, after Finn's disclosure of the condition of his countershaft & splines, and the desire to go for a ride this weekend, I took a look at my FE... and saw this:



(the white/blue "spooge" is thread-lock from the c/s bolt) and that's the c/s sprocket half off the splines.

so I took the c/s sprocket off and then wiped off the accumulated grime from the seals, and this is what's left:



So, oh wise ones of this group, what next?

Clean it up and keep an eye on it? Have I been running with a too-tight chain? Can I change the seals without splitting the case or removing the engine from the frame?

I take some comfort in that the splines of the c/s seem to be ok...
Can you tell us how many miles ? Is it mainly on or off road ? Finding a used cush hub is getting tough , Ive been looking for awhile w no luck.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:55 AM   #3214
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+1 on the Moly lube. Used it on my Husky and now the Husa. I have always stuck with using stock cs sprockets and never have had a problem but I just put a set of DT sprockets on front and rear. Dang!! I'm going home and taking that front sprocket off. I like the DT washer, it holds up better but going back to stock on the sprocket. I,m sure that's not the sole reason but the stock ones have been good to me. No crush hub yet but that just might happen now as the miles start to add up.

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Old 01-06-2013, 10:16 AM   #3215
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When you say you replace the seal,your doing the 0-ring/bushing/seal all at once?
Yes. found this: http://www.slavensracing.com/shop/co...r-ktm-husaberg

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Old 01-06-2013, 10:32 AM   #3216
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Can you tell us how many miles ? Is it mainly on or off road ? Finding a used cush hub is getting tough , Ive been looking for awhile w no luck.
Just checked the ODO: approx 2,500 miles and 100 hours.

I'd say about 25% dual-sporting / asphalt riding, the rest trail riding.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:00 AM   #3217
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Finding a used KTM hub has been nearly impossible for me at least. ebay, craigslist, UH forum, here in the flea market, etc.... been keeping an eye out all year. Buying a new OEM KTM cush hub from the older adventure bikes is possible according to my local KTM dealer, but it seems the cost is not that much less than a Radd hub by the time you get all the pieces.

I've been talking with Woody and it's around $950 for a complete rear wheel depending on what rim and spokes you go with. You can save some loot by reusing your OEM rim and trading in your OEM hub too.

At least for me, it would have been a wise investment prior to this failure and is a must for the future. Pay now or pay later.
I get to pay both and it's a shock to my winter budget and screwed up our planned trip to Baja.



On the positive side I'm going to have a solid, leak free engine that shouldn't need any major work for many miles and some new shiny bits on my bike... after I donate lots of blood and eat Ramen noodles for the winter.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:40 PM   #3218
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Finding a used KTM hub has been nearly impossible for me at least. ebay, craigslist, UH forum, here in the flea market, etc.... been keeping an eye out all year. Buying a new OEM KTM cush hub from the older adventure bikes is possible according to my local KTM dealer, but it seems the cost is not that much less than a Radd hub by the time you get all the pieces.

I've been talking with Woody and it's around $950 for a complete rear wheel depending on what rim and spokes you go with. You can save some loot by reusing your OEM rim and trading in your OEM hub too.

At least for me, it would have been a wise investment prior to this failure and is a must for the future. Pay now or pay later.
I get to pay both and it's a shock to my winter budget and screwed up our planned trip to Baja.



On the positive side I'm going to have a solid, leak free engine that shouldn't need any major work for many miles and some new shiny bits on my bike... after I donate lots of blood and eat Ramen noodles for the winter.
Photo courtesy Husaberg Adventure Team.


That pic is interesting Lost. Woody's told me they didn't have a blue Excel rim option but those from maybe Lukas's bike seem to show there is a Bling Blue option. Hmmm...

My cush hub rear wheel should arrive tomorrow. My rear rim was still in good shape. Will be ordering the stronger DT CS washer.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:59 PM   #3219
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Not 18" so I am not interested. Figured that someone on here may be. 17" wheels off of a lc4. Guy said to make an offer.

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/mcy/3521694130.html
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:07 PM   #3220
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What's interesting is that you can buy a brand new Sumo cush rear wheel right from KTM for less than $700 for the assembled wheel/hub/spokes, plus sprocket carrier, and 6 rubber inserts. You would think that someone would be able to offer an offroad width for the same price or less. For that matter, I was thinking about going with sumo sized sized wheels, but mounting 80/20 or 60/40 tires on them. I have seen some sumos with these tires and they look pretty cool, although I have never ridden one. I figure with the original wheels for hard offroad use, a sumo set might be OK for casual DS use?
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:32 PM   #3221
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What's interesting is that you can buy a brand new Sumo cush rear wheel right from KTM for less than $700 for the assembled wheel/hub/spokes, plus sprocket carrier, and 6 rubber inserts. You would think that someone would be able to offer an offroad width for the same price or less. For that matter, I was thinking about going with sumo sized sized wheels, but mounting 80/20 or 60/40 tires on them. I have seen some sumos with these tires and they look pretty cool, although I have never ridden one. I figure with the original wheels for hard offroad use, a sumo set might be OK for casual DS use?
I was lucky I found a KTM cush hub.. built by Woody on an excel wheel and heavy duty spokes.. I guess the new KTM;s come with cush built into the clutch somehow.. so the previous owner, who had switched from a Husa to a new KTM350 felt like he didnt need it. Still cost me $450 though.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:48 PM   #3222
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What's interesting is that you can buy a brand new Sumo cush rear wheel right from KTM for less than $700 for the assembled wheel/hub/spokes, plus sprocket carrier, and 6 rubber inserts.
Please show me?????

I have a complete OEM cush wheel I may may sell soon.
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:34 PM   #3223
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Please show me?????

I have a complete OEM cush wheel I may may sell soon.
Here is the web page from the best local KTM dealer near me. Damped wheel at the bottom, sprocket carrier and inserts above:
http://www.ktmworld.com/category/81-super-moto.aspx
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:03 PM   #3224
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Here is the web page from the best local KTM dealer near me. Damped wheel at the bottom, sprocket carrier and inserts above:
http://www.ktmworld.com/category/81-super-moto.aspx
that's a good deal for a 17" cuch wheel ( I would buy it and scrap everything but the hub)
and build a complete 18' wheel you will still spend over $1000 bucks
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:23 PM   #3225
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that's a good deal for a 17" cuch wheel ( I would buy it and scrap everything but the hub)
and build a complete 18' wheel you will still spend over $1000 bucks


Yup, just the KTM hub is available for under $300, plus the $200 sprocket carrier, plus rubber thingies. Just about the same price as a Radd hub, with no bling.
KTM world is charging $200 beyond the hub for a rim and spokes, which is a good price except it's not an Excel rim or the right size. Even if you would live with the 17" size it's the same cost as having Woody put a Radd hub on your existing rim after you buy the carrier and bumpers. While I wouldn't mind a SM setup some day, I can't live with the tire choices for a 17" wheel I want to ride dirt on. BTDT

I've lived trying to figure out a way to get a cush hub on my bike without spending $700+ and haven't found a way, the only way I realized is if I would have been lucky enough to score a used 18", something that hasn't worked out yet.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from looking for solutions, would love for that to happen, but I feel in the end it's going to cost what it costs for most of us and I'd rather give Woody my money and get the best wheel available than spend a similar amount after piecing it together, maybe someone can get lucky on a local craigslist find...


Either way this sucks (money out my pocket)


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