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Old 12-01-2010, 06:50 PM   #1
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Pissed SPOT Owners Beware: 911 alerted, with a all day no show!!!

Rhinoeater here,

Ride Barstow 2 Vegas Nov. 25 2010

To all you spot owners out there I was injureded on Saturday in the 1st hard section, went over the bars and just layed there, comptiplating if I should hit the 911 or not, I didnt and after sweep had passed me and i had layed there for 1/2 an hour, I mustered all the energy I had and Desided to go the direction I thought was The staightest way to hyway 15, considering my GPS granaded, along with my e-start and my odometer........ I shortly collapsed and decided to hit 911 and lost conciness

Know, not knowing my injurys at the time: They were a class 3 Bleeding from my spline, Class 3 rupture to the liver, and 2 broken ribs.

After 911 was pressed my wife was called by the barstow sheriiff and gives him the info that she knows. (hes in a ride from barstow 2 Vegas) And they tell her we no his cordinates, and are dispatching a helicopter from San Bernardino but no helicopter sent. Or was ever seen!!! OK!!! I get a call from barstow sheriff on my cell phone that gets no reception 50 miles from the closest town, so that was useless 2nd call to me cell phone 4 huors later from Baker Sheriffs dept they also had my exact position and from what I found out later have a helicopter right in Purumph, ready for these situations...I have theses officers names and pnohe#s if you PM me I will be more than willing tyo give you this info!!!

My my real complaint comes in with District 37 telling the Sherriffs we have this under control???? or with the ride promoters willing to tell the sheriffs anything they want to here, well get him and take care of it just for the sake of there land permits???

I will find out and get to the bottom of this!!!

After lying out there for 3 hours a BLM Officer comes up and does not know anything about my 911 call (Now remember my injurys) and he cant transport me WTF!!!!

So he leaves and says hes going to get a hold of the event orginizares with get this (no not his 2 way radio, but his cell phone and he has no GPS) Comes back and says he could not get a hold of anyone on the paperwork he had!!! I Pleaded so hard, to know avail for just a ride but he said he Couln't.. Have his Name and info if needed Just PM me.

But I can lead you to the I15 So there we go zig zaging becouse he has no GPS and does not know were to cross the tracks 20miles later im at I15 somewhere about 5 miles s. of Razer and again pleaded for A ride to no avail..

So I rode 21 miles down the interstate to baker to, lets guess a waiting ambulance NNNOOO!!! , helicopter NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! M wife with my truckwilling to drive my lump of S..H al the way to the hospital in Las Vegas in the front seat of course!!!

I do appreciate the all support from Dan the computor guy and the support from Wanda allthought I dont know what roll she played!!!

One remark I deffenitly didn't appreciate was the one from MARC (He infasized with a C) Is that spot is getting alot of hits on this Holiday...
To that I say BULLSHIT !!!!!! We pay any where from $100 to $150 for a device and then any where from $99 -$212.95 and thats extra to pay for my heliride not so you guys can take care of it and make sure you secure your permits for this!!!!!

You have not heard the end of this, and may lead to many partys getting involved, But I tell you one thing wheather I ever ride a dist 37 event again......You will have to answer to more than the local sheriffs telling them you got it all under control, becouse you shur as hell don't

By the way never ever heard from, or a call to see how I was doing


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Old 12-01-2010, 07:18 PM   #2
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Sorry to hear of your misadventure.

I have a Spot, and have always wondered about what would 'really' happen if 911 gets pushed. My riding buddy and I thought it would be a good investment, so we wouldn't have to desert the other(s) to get help in the middle of nowhere.

From what I understand of your situation, though, it sounds like Spot did it's job- notified the Cops, and presumably, whoever you have programmed it to alert as well. It seems the problems came from the emergency services, not Spot.

Here in Canuckistan, those sort of things usually run much smoother, because we, umm,
pay for them to, mostly, work.

I'd suggest programming the Spot message to alert the nearest Fire Dept. / S&R to the situation, as most would respond to medical calls pretty quickly.

It's been my experience that FF's take care of most any situations
way better.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:18 PM   #3
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ill keep this in mind, sorry to hear your fucked up story.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:24 PM   #4
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Yeah, I sympathize with the situation and I'd sure be PO'd at everyone involved.


I've had friends wait 4-5 hours for medical on I-5 in snow... It sounds to me like spot worked pretty well, am I missing something?
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:43 PM   #5
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I'd be pissed too. Thanks for the warning on this. Will check my 911 message and see if I can improve on it. Sounds like Spot did it's job anyway.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:44 PM   #6
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Sorry to here of your nightmare hope you recover quickly from your

spot is just one piece of the safety net we hope will work if needed
there's the blm, park rangers, leo and our riding friends.

most of the time the net works.

I have found I'm to competive and will ride to fast in a B to V type of
rides. I stick to small groups and solo riding.
I'm sure once your back on the bike you'll find your groove
we all need to watch over each either
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:52 PM   #7
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I too would be extremely pissed off at this. If SPOT's responsibility stops at a phone call to the sherif's dept with no follow-up whatsoever to make sure help has been dispatched and the dude bleeding out on the trail is actually getting some aid, I may as well toss my device.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:05 PM   #8
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sorry billy for your experience. i don't rely on spot completely; everything has it's own faults and weaknesses. all system has flaws.

i will be pissed if i were on your shoes. anyway glad to hear you're still alive...

our best bet is having a reliable and responsible riding buddy or buddies.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:21 PM   #9
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Rhinoeater, sorry to hear about your misfortune. At some point you need to take responsibility for your own actions. Spot didn't make you go over the bars you did. If I remember correctly you were the one with the BMW and the broken swing arm. For that I'm sorry. I suppose you really had no control over the situation, But still that is not SPOT's fault. Where you riding alone? If not where were your pals? Did you think you were the only one in the hundreds of riders that the D37 was dealing with? probably not. So, maybe you should chalk it up to an unfortunate situation. Bottom line is that you are safe and sound now. I happy for that. Attitude like this is why we as moto riders are getting our riding ares taken away. Sue happy California's..
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:15 PM   #10
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If I remember correctly you were the one with the BMW and the broken swing arm.
that was Snooker not Rhinoeater
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:23 PM   #11
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Billy. I am so glad that your home. I understand why your pissed with your spot. But I have also read stories of how well spot works. Your story is going to make me add even more survival supplies to my gear. I already carry a signal mirror, whistle, compass, space blanket, food, and 50 ft of 550 cord. Now because of how close the chase truck missed you. Ill be looking for a few small signal flairs to add to my gear. I am going to learn from your mishap. thanks for sharing your story with us. Feel better brother. Ben
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:28 PM   #12
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I was riding sweep at this event, though not on your section. That said, if you were lying in a ditch I may have missed you as well.
It sounds as if several things went wrong, and that happens more often than most of us care to admit.
I'm very happy to hear you are home.
I'm disappointed to hear your immediate riding group separated from you. There is no better care in the desert than your riding buddies. Riding sweep is an overwhelming task and involves focusing on hundreds of riders. Being a riding buddy involves only a few.
I'm not making any excuses if there was oversight on any one person's behalf.
I am saying that even though accidentally, you had a hand in this share of events as well.
SPOT worked as advertised. Calls were made. The rest is history.
In my experience, a chopper is no more than an ambulance. They will not go out and chase a moving target. It sounds as if that is what you became when you started moving after the 911 call.

Your bike shouldn't have broke.
You should have ridden slower.
Your buddies never should have left you.
The BLM employee should have made an exception.
Sweep should have???

All that matters to me in the end is that you are here and will ride again.
I fully understand your position, but have seen "the perfect storm" before.
No one thing created your situation.
Hug your loved ones and move on.
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:47 PM   #13
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you are lucky to be alive.. my drag boat racing cousin died from a ruptured spleen.. after a 5 mph impact in a snow storm impacting the steering wheel.. count your blessings.. maybe god wanted you to lay there for those 2 hours.. ... motorcycle riding is dangerous... dont blame D37...dont sue... just thank god you are alive and open a new chapter...
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Old 12-02-2010, 12:02 AM   #14
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you are lucky to be alive.. my drag boat racing cousin died from a ruptured spleen.. after a 5 mph impact in a snow storm impacting the steering wheel.. count your blessings.. maybe god wanted you to lay there for those 2 hours.. ... motorcycle riding is dangerous... dont blame D37...dont sue... just thank god you are alive and open a new chapter...
x2. Oh, and screw the worthless POS BLM dude. Otherwise, the rest was just part of the chaos that happens naturally in our lives. Count your blessings and move on. And whatever you do, please don't sue. We have enough riding areas closed and I can see events like this eventually swallowed-up by the liability gods...
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Old 12-02-2010, 12:04 AM   #15
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Sorry to hear about your problems this weekend. I had good luck with my spot.. long story short I was reported missing. the sheriff tracked me using my spot and found out I was ok.

more info here post 939

sounds to me like your issue is with d37 not with spot..
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