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Old 05-02-2014, 12:29 PM   #751
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Hi Levain, how are you?
Just to better understand, can you please specify if the water is passing through the external shell or through the H2Out waterproof/breathable membrane?

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I think both. I wasn't soaked, just damp and clammy. Also wasn't riding for long, but it made me question whether I could trust it on a long ride. The outer shell stayed wet all day. I didn't notice it as much in the morning when I arrived at work, but I had my heated jacket on, and that's probably why. It just didn't make it through that layer. I wasn't wearing the heated jacket on the ride home and felt dampness on my arms the second I put the jacket on.

Is there a product you'd recommend using on it? I've had good luck with nikwak wash in...
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:19 AM   #752
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I think both. I wasn't soaked, just damp and clammy. Also wasn't riding for long, but it made me question whether I could trust it on a long ride. The outer shell stayed wet all day. I didn't notice it as much in the morning when I arrived at work, but I had my heated jacket on, and that's probably why. It just didn't make it through that layer. I wasn't wearing the heated jacket on the ride home and felt dampness on my arms the second I put the jacket on.

Is there a product you'd recommend using on it? I've had good luck with nikwak wash in...
I would pull the removable liner and do some sort of bucket test - it should be fairly simple to tie off the wrist and keep it above water, and you'll know real quick whether or not it leaks. The first time mine leaked, I found that the seam tape was lifting up in a couple spots. You can re-seal it like any other seam tape.....so long as it's out of warranty.

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I think my experience has been that the removable liner just feels clammy when it's soaked on the outside, but I've never actually had my shirts show wet spots after SPIDI replaced it.

Probably this feeling is related to how thin the internal layer of 'fabric' is. My badlands will feel just as bad if I were to put my directly on the internal layer after a rain, and not the mesh lining.
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Old 05-03-2014, 09:41 AM   #753
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I would pull the removable liner and do some sort of bucket test - it should be fairly simple to tie off the wrist and keep it above water, and you'll know real quick whether or not it leaks. The first time mine leaked, I found that the seam tape was lifting up in a couple spots. You can re-seal it like any other seam tape.....so long as it's out of warranty.

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I think my experience has been that the removable liner just feels clammy when it's soaked on the outside, but I've never actually had my shirts show wet spots after SPIDI replaced it.

Probably this feeling is related to how thin the internal layer of 'fabric' is. My badlands will feel just as bad if I were to put my directly on the internal layer after a rain, and not the mesh lining.
This is exactly what I've been thinking and it's the biggest bummer about removable rain liners really.

I'm thinking I need to try to keep the water from getting to the liner in the first place and it'll probably go a long ways to solving this problem. Water doesn't bead up at all on the outer shell, so whatever DWR there once might have been is long gone.

Unless Matteo has a better idea, I'm going to start with wash in nikwax and hope for the best. Other than this issue and the sleeves that seem shorter than any other jacket I've owned, I Really like the ergo pro!
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Old 05-07-2014, 06:00 PM   #754
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Hi Levain,
as you know, your Ergo is equipped with a water resistant highly abrasion resistant fabric, to avoid the jacket to get soaked under the rain. Also, the fully waterproof/breathable membrane is placed on the inside, so that it's easily removable during the hot season or while riding desert areas.
What probably happen to your jacket is that the previous owner didn't pay the right attention on washing the garment, so that the water repellent treatment of the outer fabric got ruined. A wrong washing can also ruin the thermo-taping of the H2Out membrane.
Do you happen to see damaged taping in your membrane?

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Old 05-07-2014, 06:26 PM   #755
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Hi Levain,
as you know, your Ergo is equipped with a water resistant highly abrasion resistant fabric, to avoid the jacket to get soaked under the rain. Also, the fully waterproof/breathable membrane is placed on the inside, so that it's easily removable during the hot season or while riding desert areas.
What probably happen to your jacket is that the previous owner didn't pay the right attention on washing the garment, so that the water repellent treatment of the outer fabric got ruined. A wrong washing can also ruin the thermo-taping of the H2Out membrane.
Do you happen to see damaged taping in your membrane?

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I looked pretty closely at the rain liner from the inside out. I didn't see any visible damage.
I washed the jacket with Tech Wash, following the directions on the bottle, then used TX-Direct. I didn't wash or treat the liner at all. The original owner claimed that they never used the liner and that wouldn't surprise me.

I'm hoping for the best!
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:01 PM   #756
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Hi Matteo,

Would Grangers 2-in-1 be suitable to wash Teflon-coated jackets?

Do you have a view whether Grangers or Nikwax Tech Wash would be better to wash Teflon-coated clothing?
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:09 AM   #757
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Dear Valentino,
the products you posted are not the best option, as they are men to be used on the washing machine. This way you're going to damage parts you don't want to.

It is better to use a waterproofing spray product that you can use only on the area where it's supposed to be.

While applying this spray, pay attention to cover the reflex areas with some paper. You definitely don't want the spray to damage the certified reflective material of your Ergo 365 Pro Expedition.
And remember not to be too close to the jacket when apllying it. Stay at least at 1mt distance, making wide movement. Then let it dry for an hour, or as indicated on the products infos.

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Old 05-09-2014, 12:15 PM   #758
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Hi Matteo,

Many thanks. That's very helpful and important info.

Have a great weekend!
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:42 PM   #759
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Spidi Voyager 3 Hi-Viz

Matteo,

Two questions,

1) When will new supplies of the Voyager 3 Hi-Viz be in stock?

2) Do you know if Spidi plans to make a Hi-Viz version of the Hard Track?
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Old 05-10-2014, 03:48 AM   #760
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Hi Matteo

Back on page 44 of this thread you gave me some advice on replacing my old Roadway.

My new Super GT arrived this week and first impressions are that this is one fantastic jacket! So many quality enhancements over the old one - material, design etc. I've been commuting in temperatures between 3 and 7 degrees in the mornings and I'm almost too warm. Will be perfect for a Canberra winter. I had been a little nervous buying it without seeing one but it seems to be exactly what I was after.

And your sizing suggestion was spot on too, the large would have been way too big.

Thanks again for your help.

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Old 05-12-2014, 10:23 AM   #761
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Hi Nola, how are you?

1) New supply for the high visibility Voyager 3 is coming in June, so it's almost here.

2) There is no plan for a high visibility version of the Hard Track jacket for the future.


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Old 05-12-2014, 10:28 AM   #762
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Dear Pete, thank you very much for this message.
I'm glad you love your new Super GT jacket, I'm sure you will love it even more after riding many miles with it.


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Old 05-13-2014, 11:22 AM   #763
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Regarding the Multitech...

I don't understand the velcro on the bicep area... there's no armor under the strap. Normally, straps are used to secure some armor, so I may add a shoulder pad which extends down to my bicep (like most upper-arm armor). I don't like not having any padding there, and the strap is a constant reminder. I'm also reminded when a tree branch hits my arm.

The elbow pads on my jacket are too loose- I need a velcro strap there. Does Spidi sell replacement straps (like in the bicep area) that I could have a seamstress attach? I would rather buy from Spidi than some aftermarket strap which I'll need to modify.
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Old 05-13-2014, 02:41 PM   #764
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Hi JustRon, how are you?
The Velcro is always placed on the biceps because it's the most effective area to place to adjusting systems. It would be impossible to have great joints mobility if you have velcro fastening tightened on your elbows, knees etc.

Unfortunately we're not selling the spare parts you're asking about.


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Old 05-13-2014, 03:38 PM   #765
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I asked about the same at least twice in this thread.

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The Velcro is always placed on the biceps because it's the most effective area to place to adjusting systems.
I also can't understand - why is velcro at biceps - as it gives almost nothing, as there isn't any velcro below the elbow, in lower area.

Elbow protector is too loose. It hangs loosely, so its effectiveness is close to zero in my case, as it is not at its place during the fall.

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It would be impossible to have great joints mobility if you have velcro fastening tightened on your elbows, knees etc.
The velcro could be lower than the elbow or knee, like on other companies protectors, and other SPIDI products...
Above and below. Just look at following example:



And now imagine - that it has only top velcro...
And bottom part, without any velcro, in loose sleeve... Like in Spidi Multitech...


Or this example:



Only one velcro, just below the knee, joint mobility not not limited too much.
And protector on the knee in case of the fall, not like in Multitech case :(
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