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Old 12-18-2010, 12:47 AM   #1
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The Official F650R & F650RR thread

I don't know how many other people have a F650R but I figure this might be a good thread
for those of use who have these bikes to share info.

I cross posted this on F650.com I hope people are cool with that, I figure there are some people that don't visit
both sites and there might be some people here
that can add some pics or info

I have a little over a hundred pictures I've managed to find of the F650R & F650RR. If any of you have
any others with any info please feel free to share.

So on to the PICS....

F650 Touratech Rallye brochure





F650RR RACE TO DAKAR




These next ones are screen caps from the Race To Dakar TV Show, these bikes were a little
different than the standard Touratech Rallye bikes. They were prepared by Gareth Edmunds (http://www.psemotorsport.com/web/). And had few one off bits that were not available to the public. The Race to Dakar bike didn't use the standard rear fuel tanks as the year they raced the regulations were changed to decrease distance
between fuel stops. This was a change for 2006 and came about because of Fabrizio Meoni's death in 2005 which was in part blamed on the 50kg of fuel the bikes were carrying making them hard to control.

In the screen caps from the TV show the practice bike seems like a more standard setup with full tanks and then the 3 race bike seem to be at a different stage of development.

These pics show the unique custom radiators on the Race to Dakar bikes. Two separate units with more cooling capacity than stock.













They used a Ohlins rear shock instead of the standard WP unit from the kit.


Cockpit setup, They appear to be running custom triple clamps and those look a lot like the 48mm rather than
the 43mm WP forks that came with the Touratech kit. Also note the Scotts steering dampener


On the left side of the Handle bar you can see the Rallye controls for the IMO and NAV stuff.
All the standard BMW switch gear on the kit bikes is gone.



Instead of the standard BMW taillight they run multiple Touratech LED taillights. Each one of these
is about a 100 bucks a pop



Fake exhaust silencer for storage




Side profile. Note the front fender is not the standard Elkamet unit but a Acerbis unit



Custom CNC clutch side cover, This unit is so you can open the side cover and make a clutch change without removing the
whole cover. Cost is close to a thousand bucks from a company in the UK. This was done because at the time the
X-challenge was not available. The X-challenge has the feature stock.





Race to Dakar cockpit. Complete with Iritrak, Sentinel warning system, Roadbook, GPS repeater, IMO unit, switches for
the Sonic onboard camera system etc, etc...



Rear Tank.


These next ones are random ones of the RACE TO DAKAR bikes






























F650RR Schalber (Works bike)



These are all pictures I've got of the original F650RR these were the Factory BMW effort. These were by far a totally different beast than the standard F650R Touratech, and it shows. Shows what can be done with bottomless pockets.

In the BMW museum.




Racing







Different twin exhaust and tank setup compared to the kit bike




Here's some Andrea Mayer porn









3 time Dakar winner Richard Sainct


F650RR carbon airbox, custom everything....nothing stock.


F650RR chain ramped chain adjusters




Custom frame, shock.......everything


Carbon/Kevlar skidplate with regulation water reservoir


Random Dakar porn


Note the custom drysump tank


Taillight looks stock :-)


Cockpit





F650R Touratech privateer race bikes

Simon Pavey & Nick Plumb Race bikes(pre Race to Dakar)





















Touratech VS Factory bike


Random ones of David Park of Dhpmoto.com fame














Random F650R Touratech Race bikes



























Private F650R street legal bikes










































Touratech USA F650R demo bike



And here's the same bike now in my possession stuck in my garage:-)












(EDIT NOV 13/11) ADDING NEW PICTURES





























































































































































Jakub screwed with this post 11-14-2011 at 01:06 AM Reason: Adding more picture nov 13/2011
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:30 AM   #2
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:09 AM   #3
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Bloody hell. That must have taken you ages. Good work.

Wonder how much those radiators are.
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Old 12-18-2010, 04:18 PM   #4
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Bloody hell. That must have taken you ages. Good work.

Wonder how much those radiators are.

They were made by a company called GMX radiators
http://www.gmxradiators.co.uk/cgi-bin/shopwise.pl?id=gmx

You could if you wanted contact them to make you a custom set, from the photo's I could see they probably took a off the shelf motocross design and modified it to fit.

There prices seem to be around 450 pounds per set of a off the rack type. So figure 1000 bucks US shipped for a full custom job with a the plumbing (silicon hoses, fully lined, non-pinch hose clamps etc....)

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Old 01-11-2011, 02:39 PM   #5
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Any Idea what was done motor wise to those bikes?
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:42 PM   #6
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Any Idea what was done motor wise to those bikes?
As I recall the Race to Dakar bikes are fairly stock internally to promote longevity. They weren't concerned with winning as much as finishing.

From http://www.racetodakar.com/html/rtd.html
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The bike has been modified in a number of different ways including upgrading the wiring loom, improved exhaust, air boxes, suspension, fuel tanks, sub frame, lights and other accessories. Michelin are a very valuable supplier providing the 'Race to Dakar' team with all the tyres and mousse necessary for the toughest race in the world. The front forks have been supplied to us by Marzocchi. Other features include GMX radiators and cooling system, Talon front wheels, Ohlin steering dampers, Venhill throttles, Tomaselli clutch perches and Magura handle bars.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:23 AM   #7
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Any Idea what was done motor wise to those bikes?
Depends which bike your talking about,
The Race to Dakar bike were definitely stock, I'm assuming most guys running the Rallye kit would be stock as well because for most back markers the point is just to finish.


The F650RR bikes however, were built by team PAMI for Richard Schalber. Because of how long ago it was now you could probably get PAMI to make you one and not have to worry about BMW or Schalber not wanting you to have info on Factory spec stuff. Only problem is those F650RR motors Richard Sainct had probably cost as much as a new F800 does today


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PS If you really do want a built motor and your willing to give up on the geek factor of having a original Team PAMI one, there are cheaper options for a big 700-800cc built race motor.

A 105.5mm bore with a 8mm stroked crank running 11.5 or 13.0 to 1 compression, cryo treated, big valve, titanium this titanium that etc etc.
Runs north of around 6-7 thousand bucks.
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:59 AM   #8
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This is mine: considering sale though, bit too high heavy and expensive for my poor riding skils. In the hands of a pro though. Location Holland, officially licenced here. (very rare). Done the dakar in 2004 with BMW Nederland, rider Ebert Dollevoet. Broke his hand in first stage, entered e few amateur ralles sinds then. Completely rebuild in 2009 not 500 miles ridden since then.





















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Old 07-03-2011, 05:29 AM   #9
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As has been partly mentioned above, the BMW race bikes from '99/'00 was based on the old Funduro with carbs. The engine is slightly different than the post Dakar win in 2000.

You can go on PAMI's website and buy all components to tune your engine to anywhere between 52 and 90 bhp (for the older Funduro engine). It will cost you though. The 90 bhp kit is 8000.... And i suspect the 90 bhp engine need servicing/ maintenance every few hours.... not too much fun if you don't have a few mechanics employed.

I'm guessing this 465 sport cam is the most impact - easy to do - single part you can add to the post 2000 engine ? But they offer a wide range of mods including bigger bore cylinders and various weight loss programs
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:01 PM   #10
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This is mine: considering sale though, bit too high heavy and expensive for my poor riding skils. In the hands of a pro though. Location Holland, officially licenced here. (very rare). Done the dakar in 2004 with BMW Nederland, rider Ebert Dollevoet. Broke his hand in first stage, entered e few amateur ralles sinds then. Completely rebuild in 2009 not 500 miles ridden since then.


Hello Plukennabel,

Very cool bike... as yours has racing pedigree it's rare indeed......Mine just sat in a showroom.

If you don't mind, and if you still have the bike I was wondering if you could give me more info on the spec of
your bike.


In the below photo the bike has a different rear light assembly without indicators, is this correct? How is the bike
street legal without indicators or do you not need them in the EU. Your not running mirrors either so maybe your law are a little bit more lax than here in Canada

Also do you have any close up picture of the rear luggage rack, I'd be really interested in putting that on my bike if
it's a bolt on Touratech part I can order.






Also, You have the fancy kevlar skidplate with storage in it is there anyway you could take a picture what it look's
like inside?





My bike basically runs the stock switch gear with just a one extra touratech switch assembly for the Nav/Roadbook
I know the rally bike didn't use stock switches, but would you be kind enough to label what button and switch does
what. I'd be really interested in what buttons' are doing what in these two photo's of the bike handlebars. I'm seriously thinking of either order these parts for my bike or making them if I can't get them through Touratech.

Also do you have any info on what throttle your bike has, It's not the stock F650 unit like on my bike. It looks like
a Magura 312 throttle cable assembly but I could be wrong.







Thanks again for sharing.


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As has been partly mentioned above, the BMW race bikes from '99/'00 was based on the old Funduro with carbs. The engine is slightly different than the post Dakar win in 2000.

You can go on PAMI's website and buy all components to tune your engine to anywhere between 52 and 90 bhp (for the older Funduro engine). It will cost you though. The 90 bhp kit is 8000.... And i suspect the 90 bhp engine need servicing/ maintenance every few hours.... not too much fun if you don't have a few mechanics employed.

I'm guessing this 465 sport cam is the most impact - easy to do - single part you can add to the post 2000 engine ? But they offer a wide range of mods including bigger bore cylinders and various weight loss programs


HI Tomas,

Your right that PAMI is the go to name in F650 stuff for sure. They built the engine for the double winning F650 Funduro rallye bike run by Richard Schalber, there stuff is really nice.

Not sure if you know but here in North America the F650 carb engine was used in a ATV called the DS650
and there are lot's of guys in the states that drag race it.

There's a company called http://www.omwracing.com that makes racing engines for drag racing ATV racers

I've heard that they have 800+ cc and even 916cc engines running way way over 100hp on nitrous oxide (wheel horse power not flywheel like the Pami numbers) and there website has 750cc and 800cc stroker's for around 4 to 5 grand US dollars (2750 to 3450 euro dollars). Granted it's all F650 Funduro style carb motor's but I'm sure they'd do the same work on a FI bike and then you'd have to tune it via power commander or something.
Trick is like you said the maintenance and the fact the ATV guys are drag racers so using race gas and probably going only 100km before rebuilds. 13.5 or even 14.0 to 1 compression isn't gonna work on a street bike for long.

Anyway I'd be cool to see somebody buy a used ATV racing motor just to screw around with it and see what it would do.

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Ct racing sells a cam kit for under 400 that goes with a je piston that still runs on pump gas. You could do all of it for under 700. Now I don't know if those parts will fit the fi motor.
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Ct racing sells a cam kit for under 400 that goes with a je piston that still runs on pump gas. You could do all of it for under 700. Now I don't know if those parts will fit the fi motor.

The DS650 motor and the Carb Funduro motor "should" be exactly the same. They share the twin intake carb setup,
and twin exhaust step as well.

The rest of it is up in the air. I've been comparing the Fiche's to see how many part numbers
are the same from looking at the part numbers and diagrams.

Here's the Funduro/GS diagram (there the same picture)

Here's the twin spark diagram


The Funduro and GS Single Spark share the same shim arrangement where the shim sits on the bucket.
The Twin spark uses a smaller shim between the valve and bucket.

Even though the diagram for the Funduro and the GS are the same, the part numbers are
different. The valves are still 36mm,31mm, but the small parts are different.
Even though the single and twin spark engines have different shim setup's they share the
same valve's so it seems that you could convert back and forth.

The cams are all different but I'm not sure if that is because of the shim setup or just differences in
the lift/duration etc. I'd be interesting if anyone has the spec's in between the different years.

about the big bore/piston kits, I remember hearing through the grapevine that it's the same all years for the Rotax although I don't know it for a fact.

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Ya I have done the same with some part numbers. I tried to see if the piston part number was the same between the single spark and the carb bike. The carb bike does not show the piston part number only, you have to buy the cylinder with it as a kit. The single and twin sparks use the same piston.

Even is the carb bike and the single spark had the same piston the combustion chamber may be different. The high compression piston has cut outs for the valves and if the chamber is different it may not fit at TDC.

It would be nice to find a Rotax Expert who knows all this stuff.

Someone needs to be our lab rat and try the cams and piston on their bike.
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