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Old 01-04-2011, 06:11 PM   #31
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Just our o2 worth having now ridden the bikes fully laden for a while - note F798's. We have the Altberg foot enlarger and one of the issues is that it sticks out in front of the foot.

The result is that when putting the stand down the front of the foot tends to dig into the dirt and for Sally it's too hard to lean the bike over to the right far enough when it's fully laden with gear.

If I was designing one it would extend the foot only to the rear (and as much as possible) and leave the front (when viewed with the foot fully down) as close to original as possible.

We also find that even on level ground the bike has a lot of weight on the stand even though the Altbergs add about 4mm height, but that could be because we have a different stand completely... not sure.
Hi Mike!

I'll have to get a better look at the F798 version...I know that originally they were mirrored imaged.

Are you implying that you would like a thicker one then in that last paragraph?


Thanks everybody for the feedback!!

Here's where it's at:

1. It will definitely be cut down in the right spot to facilitate raising and lowering the stand. That was decided about 10 seconds after installing it.

2. It's going to have a bigger footprint than the proto you've seen so far. It will be added to the rear sections where it won't cause any issue(s).

3. We're working with a "locking mechanism" so it won't disappear...except under a crash situation where it will be designed to have minimal impact on the side stand so as to not tweak it. It's a pricey solution but it's sooo coool! It'll be on proto two. Some people may want to spread it to other offending loosening bolts on their bikes.

4. Trying really hard to keep the cost down which also begs the question:
Do you want it black or is naked fine? If it's black it's going to be powder coat like our current products. Probably the fine textured version of the black.

5. Stock low version first which adds about 2mm...possibly high version after. The adjustable height "on the fly" idea that you mention RideABeam by the way is an idea that was being played around with...very hard to keep the cost in check then though. I knew exactly what you meant when I read it.
Thanks for the compliment by the way!

The next proto will be done very shortly and we'll see how it all pans out...stay tuned to the exciting side stand foot developments!

Thanks for all the great feedback so far everybody!! Keep it comin!

I'm going to get this thread moved to Vendors now since this is going ahead.

Thanks again,

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Old 01-04-2011, 06:24 PM   #32
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don't powder coat it...keep the cost down and we can paint our own if we want. I touch up my TT when it needs it!
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:47 PM   #33
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don't powder coat it...keep the cost down and we can paint our own if we want. I touch up my TT when it needs it!
That's the answer I was hoping for!

By the way where and how did your TT one bend?

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Old 01-04-2011, 06:53 PM   #34
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I can take pic at another time but I think it got bent on our trip when I got stuck on a rock on some off road somewhere....I jammed my bike, not sure. I noticed the bend one time I looked down.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:24 PM   #35
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Hi Mike!

I'll have to get a better look at the F798 version...I know that originally they were mirrored imaged.

Are you implying that you would like a thicker one then in that last paragraph?
G'Day Dave, Yes definitely with the Altbergs which give 4mm extra the bikes have a lot of weight on the stand, mine extremely so with Wilbers shock with extra travel and so a little higher, Sals bike has standard length shock with the front forks lowered 20mm through the triple clamps and the side stand lean angle is still a bit too much when the bike has a load on.

So talking to Sal just now to make sure I understood she says, 1) the angle is too far for her to pull it up off the side stand ( I often have to give her a hand) and 2) the front extension of the foot makes putting the stand down realy difficult on a surface that is anything other than flat as the front of the extended foot digs in to the dirt as it swings down.

I guess it's all a compromise, but the message should be that one size does not fit all and the perfect solution will have some customisability, tough one to design and manufacture though.
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Old 01-05-2011, 05:36 AM   #36
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don't powder coat it...keep the cost down and we can paint our own if we want. I touch up my TT when it needs it!
I was actually going to go the other way. Maybe a powder coated one for an additional charge..?
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Old 01-05-2011, 05:39 AM   #37
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4. Trying really hard to keep the cost down which also begs the question:
Do you want it black or is naked fine? If it's black it's going to be powder coat like our current products. Probably the fine textured version of the black.
I'd prefer naked too. Seems like powder coat wouldn't last long on it.
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Old 01-05-2011, 06:16 AM   #38
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I'd prefer naked too. Seems like powder coat wouldn't last long on it.
powder coating on this does not stay...one will need to do touch ups no matter what. not worth the extra $$ for this accessory IMHO
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Old 01-05-2011, 07:19 AM   #39
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powder coating on this does not stay...one will need to do touch ups no matter what. Not worth the extra $$ for this accessory imho
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Old 01-05-2011, 05:41 PM   #40
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I'd prefer naked too. Seems like powder coat wouldn't last long on it.
Which is one reason why we went for the Altberg product, as it's made from stainless plate. Best material for a side stand foot IMHO.
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Old 01-05-2011, 07:51 PM   #41
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Which is one reason why we went for the Altberg product, as it's made from stainless plate. Best material for a side stand foot IMHO.
What's this "Altberg" company? I can't find anything on the internet about a company called "Altberg". Do you mean Altrider?

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The first ones will be naked!

The powder coat on the bottom and around the edges will definitely get beat up. It's character

I was thinkin it would still "blend in" better with the black topside...so maybe later...or riders could just hit'em up with the good old rattle can.

Here is what the next proto is lookin like:



The footprint of this one is now over 2.5x the size of the side stand foot.
The top right 45* angle cut will take care of the "over compensation lean".

We're also going to experiment with a taller/adjustable system for...Griz...and Mike

Stainless steel would be tougher but about 3x heavier and a little more $$. Although that's not the a big deal. Seems petty I know but I really don't want to keep adding weight to every part. This way it weighs about the same as a big stick and less than a rock...but you don't have to carry either of those!

Next we'll get to see how the fancy bolt locking system works ...

Gadget Boy you can move this whenever to vendors.

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Old 01-05-2011, 09:43 PM   #43
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Looks great. Plenty of space for some custom engraving ....

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The first ones will be naked!

The powder coat on the bottom and around the edges will definitely get beat up. It's character

I was thinkin it would still "blend in" better with the black topside...so maybe later...or riders could just hit'em up with the good old rattle can.

Here is what the next proto is lookin like:



The footprint of this one is now over 2.5x the size of the side stand foot.
The top right 45* angle cut will take care of the "over compensation lean".

We're also going to experiment with a taller/adjustable system for...Griz...and Mike

Stainless steel would be tougher but about 3x heavier and a little more $$. Although that's not the a big deal. Seems petty I know but I really don't want to keep adding weight to every part. This way it weighs about the same as a big stick and less than a rock...but you don't have to carry either of those!

Next we'll get to see how the fancy bolt locking system works ...

Gadget Boy you can move this whenever to vendors.

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Old 01-06-2011, 12:41 AM   #44
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What's this "Altberg" company? I can't find anything on the internet about a company called "Altberg". Do you mean Altrider?
My bad, yes it's Altrider, we are on the road dodging the New Zealand rain and was going from memory... that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it
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Looks great. Plenty of space for some custom engraving ....
Yip

...something's bound to end up there!

Don't remember if you got much riding in after you installed the skid plate but how do you like it?

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