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Old 01-02-2011, 09:39 PM   #1
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Texas Dual Sport Tires 19/17 for the Big Pigs

Yeah, yeah. I'm just bitchin' but on the off chance someone has a solution....


Has anyone found any tire in a 19/17 that works for the really big pigs on our POS Texas roads? And by really big pigs I'm talking Big Stroms and GS's and the like.

TKC's get 2K or less for my bunch. Literally, nobody I ride with regularly gets more than that. Tourances and Anakees limit you off-pavement when it's dry and really limit you when it's wet or loose. All 3 are great tires but the trade-offs are just huge.

The reason I'm posting this in the regional forum is that I don't think folks in other states realize what our chip and seal roads do to tires. So, other than the unobtainium Heidenau's in a 150 size, is there a Texas solution that provides some moderate grip off-pavement (better than Tourances or Anakees) but wear better than TKC's in Texas?

It sucks to worry that a new set of TKC's won't make a 5 day trip to Big Bend/Davis Mountains by way of the Hill Country. I'm itching to get back out there soon but I'd like to be able to do something more than Class 1, gentle Class 2 off-pavement when I get there.

For now, it seems like the best choice is a TKC front and a Tourance rear but, dang. It sure would be nice to have a matched set. Almost makes me want to switch to KTM just for better tire choices.
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:26 PM   #2
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Karoo T, fit the VStrom & the BMW r12gs
I got 4500 on the rear of my VStrom half was off pavement.
Should have changed it at 4k.
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:06 AM   #3
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Thanks. I'll have to look at the T. Don't know if I've ever seen anything but the regular Karoo.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:26 PM   #4
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do you have any hang-ups on trying off-brand tires like shinkos? I was just looking for a set of 17's because my buddy was thinking about off-roading his WR250 supermoto...

motorcycle superstore has a tire finder by size...

Dunlop 606 Dual Sport Rear in 130/90/17 for about $75 - looks pretty decent offroad

Pirelli MT 21 Rallycross front and rear for about $71 each. Looks like some good reviews - 1500 miles and no sign of wear. Same rider wore out other tires (IRC, etc) in that many miles.

Michelin T63 Dual Sport looks pretty good for a rear



I know that doesn't help much with feedback on longevity, but there are reviews on each tire from customers, so maybe it'll help

If nothing else, it helps you see whats available by size.

BTW, I'm interested in what you decide on... I've been thinking of a 90/10% tire for the 1200GS...
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:28 PM   #5
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BTW, the T63 is what Colebatch used on his 2010 Siberian Extreme ride - i dont know how many thousands of miles he put on the tires, but it had to be well over 6 or 7,000... I think he was on a BMW 650 X-country that was heavily modified.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:44 PM   #6
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damn rubber!

Karoo Ts are damn expensive and, according to this one account, aren't any better than the TKCs... still searching too. 2400 miles and my rear TKC is now bald
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:51 PM   #7
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tkc front and shinko 705 rear on my gs, is holding up really well, and is NEARLY as good offroad as the tkc ( only worse in the mud-better tire everywhere else)

rear shinko lasts at least twice as long as tkc80 on the rear.

and it wont slip and slide on wet pavement like my tkc did.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:52 PM   #8
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lol, TXjames. It looked like crap the last time we rode together. 2400 is a victory of sorts. It's a damn sight better than what Ghost is gonna get. Or what Nephew #2 got on a Big Bend trip. I'm not kidding. The rubber was falling off that thing so fast we knew it would never make 1500 miles. It did, but barely. We were already measuring tread wear before we got to the Park.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:59 PM   #9
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So far I've tried:

Dunlop 607's - Great street grip. Useless on dirt and sucks on mileage.
Shinko 705's- Good street grip. Pretty good in the dirt (better than anything other than the semi-knobs). Sucks on mileage.
Anakees- Great street grip. Ice-skating on dirt, but predictably bad. Liveable on mileage.
Tourances - Same as Anakees

I've ridden several bikes with TKC's but since I am the hardest on tires of our bunch, never bothered to put them on for the one long weekend it would take for me to shred them.

Next up in the 90/10 80/20 category will be the OEM Trailwings but I want to find a 60/40 or maybe 50/50 tire.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:00 PM   #10
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what mileage were you getting out of the shinko 705?
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:16 PM   #11
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I've been through 3 Shinko rears and never got 3K out of any of them. But, I only get 3400 to 3800 (maybe 4K on a trip that had a lot of asphalt- North Georgia, North Carolina) out of Tourances or Anakees.


I'm not a little fella and I ride the biggest of the big pigs. Fully loaded for a trip, she and I weigh over half a ton. Easily. Some would say I ride "spiritedly". Others would say I ride like an idiot. I'm aware that all of that goes into the tire wear equation. ;) But I ain't likely to change my ways at this late date.

I want something like Mefo's or The Heidi's. 4K and some dirtability with good street grip. Hell, I'll take 3K.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:21 PM   #12
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I gotcha, ive got well over 3K on my rear, but im a bit smaller,rarely loaded, slower, and likely drive less 'spiritied' !

and I dont think we have as much of that chipseal stuff up here.

Id like to try the heidis as well, whenever that may be.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:24 PM   #13
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Nope. Y'all have really good pavement in Arkansas. Our stuff is made from broken glass and rocks.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:38 PM   #14
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Next up in the 90/10 80/20 category will be the OEM Trailwings but I want to find a 60/40 or maybe 50/50 tire.
Oooohh... Death Wings, NO WAY! Haha. Pretty sure that's not the tire you want but maybe they're better than the rumors I've heard.

SWmoto has the non-T Karoo for $146 but I doubt it has any better life than the T.
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Old 01-03-2011, 04:04 PM   #15
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Try the Michelin T63's man... Colebatch was loaded down pretty heavy and from what i see he likes to ride fairly aggressively as well. Its the only tire he trusts to make it across Russia in one piece.


For the price, i'll bet its worth a try.
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