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Old 01-12-2011, 01:49 PM   #1
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1960 tbird, engine compartment wire..any ideas?

Working on this for a friend. Recently took it to a local "classic and hotrod specialty" place....boy did they screw him over. Did almost no work, charged a bunch of money. I digress. Anyway, when looking at it today I found a yellow wire that is part of the loom that goes to the generator. Looks like it could have gone to the starter side of the solenoid. Looks like it has been hooked up recently...but car starts and runs (sort of...still working on that). Any ideas? :shrug:








and the car, 352 4bbl car. Original paint, no rust. Been sitting a year and I am determined to get this thing back on the road!
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Old 01-12-2011, 02:20 PM   #2
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With it being that big and yellow it should be easy to follow. The problem with a half century old vehicle is you've had about 4 generations of mechanics working on it.

Anyway, way back then yellow wires were either part of an ammeter circuit or it would go to the external regulator, so those are my two hunches as to what is was for.
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Not sure about back then but now-a-days ford charge wires are yellow or yellow and black.
What other wires and sizes are coming from the generator ? and we are talking generator right ? as in someone has not retro-ed an alternator and this yellow wire is just a leftover or something.....

OK an EDIT

My friend Google shows several 59,60,62 Ford V8's with a Yellow/Black wire from the Generator to Regulator and a Yellow wire from the Regulator to the battery side of the starter relay
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:17 PM   #4
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Not sure about back then but now-a-days ford charge wires are yellow or yellow and black.
What other wires and sizes are coming from the generator ? and we are talking generator right ? as in someone has not retro-ed an alternator and this yellow wire is just a leftover or something.....

OK an EDIT

My friend Google shows several 59,60,62 Ford V8's with a Yellow/Black wire from the Generator to Regulator and a Yellow wire from the Regulator to the battery side of the starter relay
I looked but didnt find any good pictures that showed what I was looking for. Can you link some of the pics you found?
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Old 01-13-2011, 05:34 AM   #5
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Is the battery charging when the engine is 'running'?
Does the car have an Ammeter?

Just asking 'cause those other guys need to know.
Very nice pics BTW.
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Not sure about back then but now-a-days ford charge wires are yellow or yellow and black.
What other wires and sizes are coming from the generator ? and we are talking generator right ? as in someone has not retro-ed an alternator and this yellow wire is just a leftover or something.....

OK an EDIT

My friend Google shows several 59,60,62 Ford V8's with a Yellow/Black wire from the Generator to Regulator and a Yellow wire from the Regulator to the battery side of the starter relay

I can remember that on other cars too.
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I looked but didnt find any good pictures that showed what I was looking for. Can you link some of the pics you found?

http://users.wpi.edu/~goulet/TBird/60wiring_diagram.jpg

http://squarebirds.org/Diagrams-Schematics/1958-1966_Wiring_Diagrams/Thumbnails/66TbirdIgnitionStartingChargingLeft.jpg


I find that google searching images works better for finding wiring diagrams or the like
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Thanks again! Looks like it does go to the battery side of the solenoid. Only issue is to make sure the shop didnt do something to make this wire no longer necessary. But those wiring diagrams help A LOT. Now time to get out the multimeter and go to town. Not sure if its charging right....its not been run enough.

#4 cylinder is oil fouling. Going to try stuff to unseize a piston ring then try the valve stem seals. Dont have the time or space to take the motor apart.
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:49 AM   #9
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I'm not sure, but I think the 352 had an external oil return line. they were prone to clogging up, not letting the oil return to the pan. could cause #4 to foul, but when all the oil is in the heads none is in the pan . could be wrong but look for a 1/4 in. copper line coming off the head. just trying to help

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Thanks again! Looks like it does go to the battery side of the solenoid. Only issue is to make sure the shop didnt do something to make this wire no longer necessary. But those wiring diagrams help A LOT. Now time to get out the multimeter and go to town. Not sure if its charging right....its not been run enough.

#4 cylinder is oil fouling. Going to try stuff to unseize a piston ring then try the valve stem seals. Dont have the time or space to take the motor apart.
Been years since I heard it but I think since we are talking generators instead of altenators it boost start up voltage. It wouldnt be used if converted to altenator.
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Been years since I heard it but I think since we are talking generators instead of altenators it boost start up voltage. It wouldnt be used if converted to altenator.
It is a gen car, and that makes sense. More good ideas. Car is across town, will get to mess with it again this weekend or next.
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Nice squarebird, great shape.

I believe you could option them with a 430 CID engine. Should get like 8 MPG.
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Well, I did some testing and some research of the wiring diagrams and agree that it should be hooked up to the battery side of the solenoid. Then 2 days later friend found some older photos that show that as where it went!

Looks like to me, that the batt side of the new solenoid didnt have as long a post as the old one, so there was not enough room. So the repair shop just left it off. Idiots.......

http://www.musclecarsandhandlebars.com/

Dont EVER take or let anyone you know take anything to this shop. Its embarrassing to think of the work they did/or didnt do.

Were supposed to:

change plugs (did not gap them, several were at .011 instead of .032 and one was flopping around in the head)
wires
battery
solenoid (wire not hooked up properly)
clean carb (did not take the carb apart, was a mess inside)
fuel filter
drain replace gas (did not do it until after car didnt run after first time he went to pick it up)

They missed that it was firing HORRIBLE and missing all over the place. Missed that it was major oil fouling #4 cylinder. Smoking like a james bond car from right side tail pipe.

Took them 3 months, had to take it back once and charged him over $500.
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Old 01-28-2011, 04:44 PM   #14
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Dont EVER take or let anyone you know take anything to this shop. Its embarrassing to think of the work they did/or didnt do.

Took them 3 months, had to take it back once and charged him over $500.

Ok, I think you're preaching to the choir.
This was built in 1960 so is 51 years old and the guys who know this machine well are all 70 years old and retired.

Good on you for getting it figured out.

Expect more trouble.
He won't take it back to them now!
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Ok, I think you're preaching to the choir.
This was built in 1960 so is 51 years old and the guys who know this machine well are all 70 years old and retired.

Good on you for getting it figured out.

Expect more trouble.
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to volkswagon/audi/volvo to mercedes at my friends import shop. when he needs help.

It is about the want to be a good tech. using the resources that are around the net, factory manuals, finding that old guy(although it sucks I am that guy at 40) and BEING smart enough to think your work thru not just replacing parts.
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