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Old 05-31-2011, 05:17 PM   #16
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Suitale Tool for bushing removal

What I found was a suitable tool (done it twice) was to remove the bolt and if you look through the threaded end of the stand you will see a little hole in the inside of the bushing. I took a punch through the threaded end and inserted the end it into the little hole and a few taps later it was out. I think that is what it is there for. Just make sure that when you reassemble it that you put the bush in the correct direction in case you ever need to remove it again.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:22 PM   #17
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Hi Woody - thanks for hanging in there with us on this one. Should the hole for the bushing be large enough in diameter to accomodate the two collar bushings (part 7) in addition to the spacer sleeve (part 6)? See link to parts fiche below. The OEM side stand has a collar bushing on either end of the spacer sleeve when installed.

The whole was not large enough on the side stand I received so I left the collar bushings off. I wonder if that may be contributing to the side stand not wanting to retract. It was so bound up I had to kick it to get it down and kick it to retract. I regreased the side stand and its still pretty stiff. I tourqued the bolt to spec (41nm) to make sure I wasn't wrenching on it too hard. Please advise.

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Old 05-31-2011, 08:33 PM   #18
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[QUOTE=wcisse;16052440]Hi Woody - thanks for hanging in there with us on this one. Should the hole for the bushing be large enough in diameter to accomodate the two collar bushings (part 7) in addition to the spacer sleeve (part 6)? NO!!!,,,,the hole in the SS bracket is sized for the actual bushing minus the 2 collars...so the total width of the new bracket is essentially the same as the oem bracket with a collar on each side..i did snug up all dimensions for a better longer lasting fit.... See link to parts fiche below. The OEM side stand has a collar bushing on either end of the spacer sleeve when installed.

The hole was not large enough on the side stand I received so I left the collar bushings off. I wonder if that may be contributing to the side stand not wanting to retract. It was so bound up I had to kick it to get it down and kick it to retract. I regreased the side stand and its still pretty stiff. I tourqued the bolt to spec (41nm) to make sure I wasn't wrenching on it too hard. Please advise.Please go back and check the updated post #15 that i made this morning,,it now has pics and more current info

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Old 06-02-2011, 06:25 PM   #19
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Thanks for the update, Woody. I'll take the side stand apart this weekend to check the bushing, and see if I can find a 45 degree grease fitting.

Wayne

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Hi Woody - thanks for hanging in there with us on this one. Should the hole for the bushing be large enough in diameter to accomodate the two collar bushings (part 7) in addition to the spacer sleeve (part 6)? NO!!!,,,,the hole in the SS bracket is sized for the actual bushing minus the 2 collars...so the total width of the new bracket is essentially the same as the oem bracket with a collar on each side..i did snug up all dimensions for a better longer lasting fit.... See link to parts fiche below. The OEM side stand has a collar bushing on either end of the spacer sleeve when installed.

The hole was not large enough on the side stand I received so I left the collar bushings off. I wonder if that may be contributing to the side stand not wanting to retract. It was so bound up I had to kick it to get it down and kick it to retract. I regreased the side stand and its still pretty stiff. I tourqued the bolt to spec (41nm) to make sure I wasn't wrenching on it too hard. Please advise.Please go back and check the updated post #15 that i made this morning,,it now has pics and more current info

Thanks!

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Old 06-03-2011, 07:33 AM   #20
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[QUOTE=wcisse;16070277]Thanks for the update, Woody. I'll take the side stand apart this weekend to check the bushing, and see if I can find a 45 degree grease fitting.

Wayne,,,
i can pop one in the mail today ..no charge
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Old 06-12-2011, 02:12 PM   #21
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Wayne,

Did you get your sidestand fixed?

I just installed the SuperTuff II and also had some issues. Not with the new bracket but the bushing could not be removed from the original stand. I ended up tapping the bushing with a 7/16" tap, installing a bolt and then pressing out the bushing. The bushing was deformed on the outside end but even the other end needed to be pressed through the sidestand.

The large hole in the sidestand actually had a slight taper to it. Cleaned that up with a reamer. Then after re-assembly there was still some binding of the stand on the new bracket. A couple of strokes with a file showed the inside of the stand on the bushing side to be less than flat. A few more strokes of the file and the stand moves freely.

Maybe to freely. Now I'm a bit worried about the sidestand switch cutting out on a big bump. The stand pivots easily and there is no discernible free play in the side stand. Might have to bypass the switch or rig a rubber strap like the KTM's have.

The new bracket is a fine piece of kit. Only way it could be better is if it were made from titanium. A big thanks to Woody.
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Old 06-12-2011, 02:30 PM   #22
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Still haven't got mine installed. I have been unable to get the bushing out but I like your idea of tapping it and putting a bolt in it for easier removal. Since I figured I was going to destroy the original bushing I went ahead and ordered a new one, I think it was like $12 or $18 dollars. I may give it another try this week.
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:48 PM   #23
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Still haven't got mine installed. I have been unable to get the bushing out but I like your idea of tapping it and putting a bolt in it for easier removal. Since I figured I was going to destroy the original bushing I went ahead and ordered a new one, I think it was like $12 or $18 dollars. I may give it another try this week.

hi guys,,,just sold the last of the last/3rd run...if you want any more ,,i'll need at least 15 confirmed orders and will make another run of 25,,,now we have 91 HP-2 riders out there that have have a Super-Tuff stainless steel sidestand. Thanks for hanging in there,,,

Next,,i'm doing a complete R&R from oem aluminum to SS SuperTuff III w 45degree grease fitting.. AND the adjustable side-stand mod with a 'big-foot'' tossed into the fray....here's the pics/tutorial.....
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tools ya need:

regular medium blade screwdriver for removing /prying the spring off:

hammer for tapping out the bushing
6mm allen for tightening the spring holder bolt
T-50 torx bit for pivot bolt
#3 Phillips for installing return spring
small pin punch/drift for knocking out bushing
loctite blue for new 8x1.25 spring anchor bolt/sidestand -switch actuator [actually that's what i need ,,that bolt will be installed/should be ready to use]
12mm x1.25 or 1mm starter tap
torque wrench
grease gun

So here's the old complete oem HP-2 aluminum side-stand assy with all new parts for Super-Tuff III,,,adjustable side-stand components and big foot



1,, remove springs and note their position FYI,,i take a before pic for reference purposes or make a drawing,,then remove the pivot bolt

2,, starting the tap into the old bushing,,,if the bushing starts to turn just put pressure on the side-stand and it'll keep bushing from spinning,,,you only need a few threads of purchase



2,,,taking drift and tapping the bushing out with hammer


3,,,here's the bushing and the little mushroomed ends and rust that cause all the removal problems.,,you need to dress them down so that the bushing slides freely through the Super-Tuff bracket.,,,or get a new one [ part # 46537684886 SPACER SLEEVE, INTERIOR....$10.24]


4,,,a drop of loctite blue on the 8mm bolt install and snug down till it bottoms out,,,6mm allen wrench is needed,,NOTE:we usually have all this done when we send it to you.


5,,,installing the 45 degree zerk fitting,,with 9mm wrench,,NOTE ,,position of zerk for proper clearance



6,,,the bits n pieces for the extension and larger foot,,main nut,special jam nut,,,notice the chunk removed,,we opted for a 2'' range 1'' plus minus for switching from 21-19-18-17'' wheel combos as well as light heavy loads.


7,,, the position where new big foot will be welded fro optimal clearance


8,,,fully compressed 14''


9,,,fully extended 16''


10,,,now pre-grease all the bushings pivot bolt and side-stand with any waterproof grease,,,,assemble by pushing the bushing through side-stand and into bracket,,,install pivot bolt and tighten to 30 ft/lbs or 41 Nm while moving the side-stand to n fro,,after wards use grease gun and squeeze more grease in til it oozes out on both sides,,,i always keep moving the side-stand to n fro during this process,,,it should be real smooth and way snugger than what ya started with

11,,,here's my trick for quick spring installation,,i position the notch on #3 Phillips head like this,,push down on spring while prying the screwdriver up to the point the spring drops down in place ,,CAUTION!!!,,,i always wear a glove or hold the spring with a rag or vise-grip to keep the spring from flying away in case ya miss,,once mastered this lil trick is a keeper
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:48 PM   #24
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Hey Mark,

Yes, I fixed my sidestand yesterday, kind of.

I removed the sidestand switch to install a 45 degree grease fitting that Woody sent me. I tried to remove the bushing from the SuperTuff II to investigate my binding problem but it wouldn't budge. I don't know if that is due to the hole in the SuperTuff being slightly tapered as you discovered or if the bushing may have a burr on it as Woody mentioned in post #15.

So, I greased the ba-geezus out of it and and whipped it up and down by hand about 50 times. It still binds somewhat when raising and lowering, and I can live with that. It's not so loose when fully retracted that I will have to worry about the side stand switch cutting out on a big bump. I think at this point I'll just use it for awhile and see if it loosens over time when the various surfaces wear in.

Don't get me wrong. I do like the SuperTuff and highly recommend it. The bike stands more upright and more securely than the stock stand.

BTW, I had BMW G450X with a self-retracting side stand. It came with a rubber strap to hold the sidestand retracted. I'm sure it's available from your local dealer. You may be able to adapt to for your needs.

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Wayne,

Did you get your sidestand fixed?

I just installed the SuperTuff II and also had some issues. Not with the new bracket but the bushing could not be removed from the original stand. I ended up tapping the bushing with a 7/16" tap, installing a bolt and then pressing out the bushing. The bushing was deformed on the outside end but even the other end needed to be pressed through the sidestand.

The large hole in the sidestand actually had a slight taper to it. Cleaned that up with a reamer. Then after re-assembly there was still some binding of the stand on the new bracket. A couple of strokes with a file showed the inside of the stand on the bushing side to be less than flat. A few more strokes of the file and the stand moves freely.

Maybe to freely. Now I'm a bit worried about the sidestand switch cutting out on a big bump. The stand pivots easily and there is no discernible free play in the side stand. Might have to bypass the switch or rig a rubber strap like the KTM's have.

The new bracket is a fine piece of kit. Only way it could be better is if it were made from titanium. A big thanks to Woody.
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Hi Wayne,

Just to clarify, it was the hole in the OEM side stand that had the taper, not Woody's new ST II. I did run some sandpaper around my bushing to clean off the burrs, that may have given it a little more clearance in the new bracket.

If you take yours apart and look closely you should be able to see where it is binding.
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:52 AM   #26
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Mark - Got it, thanks for the clarification. I'll take it apart one of these weekends and probably just replace the bushing for good measure.

Thanks!

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Hi Wayne,

Just to clarify, it was the hole in the OEM side stand that had the taper, not Woody's new ST II. I did run some sandpaper around my bushing to clean off the burrs, that may have given it a little more clearance in the new bracket.

If you take yours apart and look closely you should be able to see where it is binding.
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Mark - Got it, thanks for the clarification. I'll take it apart one of these weekends and probably just replace the bushing for good measure.

Thanks!

Wayne
that would be smart move,,,the longer you hav eused the side-stand in the bent bracket the more likely you are to have a lip form/mushtoom on the end of the bushing,,,,,we throw it in the lathe and zip it down to the same diameter as orm,,,voila the bushing fits perfect,,

FYI,,so far a new bushing should fit perfectly through the ss bracket if it has been properly prepped,,,,my troopies are to check and make sure the new bushing we have slips through easily,
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ok here's the link to updated installation with pics/tutorial

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=23

or just scroll to post #23
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Hey Woody - good write-up, thanks. I think the following should be 41 ft'lbs according to HP2e Repair CD. If it should be only 14ft'lbs that explains my binding

Best!

Wayne

,,,install pivot bolt and tighten to 14ft'lbs while moving the side-stand to n fro,,

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Hey Woody - good write-up, thanks. I think the following should be 41 ft'lbs according to HP2e Repair CD. If it should be only 14ft'lbs that explains my binding

Best!

Wayne

,,,install pivot bolt and tighten to 14ft'lbs while moving the side-stand to n fro,,
here's the upgrade thanks to your keen eye....actually it is 41Nm NOT 41ft/lbs

''install pivot bolt and tighten to 30 ft/lbs or 41 Nm while moving the side-stand to n fro''

to wayne
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