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Old 10-02-2012, 09:55 PM   #2566
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In no particular order:

1. I hope the reduced electric capacity will handle the full load of Gerbings, GPSs, Radar protection, etc.

2. Sad that it appears I won't be able to bring along from my '10GS my Russell, Varios and tinted Adventure windshield

3. The design, while no where near Pikes Peak Edition perfection, is very nice

4. It solves the "what can I get that has it" question by finally adding cruise control

5. I liked the factory accessories (like the tinted windshield, Akras and running lights)

7. I can always ride back up to Shasta to visit Russell

6. I deposited $1,000 at my dealer today to be first in line, he says in March
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:28 PM   #2567
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Wet multiplate clutch is an excellent move for reliability, even though it will require more frequent oil changes.

New wheel widths are a bit strange [3.00x19 and 4.50x17] but will allow retrofitting of the slightly knobblier rubber available in the "traditional" 110/80-19 and 150/70-17 sizes.

Why no increase in bore/stroke to a 1250 or 1300?
Many would argue that 125hp is plenty for all sane purposes.
But for future marketing?
Probably the new cylinder walls have been planned to have enough beef to permit a future 3mm overbore (to 1240cc). The new larger [40/34mm] valves would become less masked ~ so maximum-power engine speed 7700rpm would hardly suffer. New pistons + minimal machining of the heads = a very cheap upgrade possible, when the marketers feel the need.
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:49 PM   #2568
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Shows the controls from 4:30 on and the adjustable shield from 6:00

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Old 10-02-2012, 11:07 PM   #2569
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Thanks for the clarity here, although a little bit over simplified on weight estimates of components as there are a lot of weight savings in the new GS that must be offset by more than the 4kg of additions you note above...things such as lightweight shaft drive, stator alternator, integrated transmission, thinner fork stanchions, and I'm sure many more...perhaps its all put into that massive muffler ;-)
Yes. I confused myself. Shouldn't have mentioned the tyres. Point was supposed to be that the weight difference was just the 6lbs BMW attributes to the water cooling, or less, as the ABS adds at least the remainder and many (most?) folks ticked that option box on the old one.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:09 PM   #2570
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removable passenger foot pegs for the new Enduro PRO mode
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:28 AM   #2571
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I'm betting there are a lot of guys who were on the fence on the Multi and waiting to see what the waterboxer was going to be all about, and 125bhp is going to make it an easy decision for many of them.
That'd be me. Long time BMW guy, and I wanted to buy a GS but this one is even heavier and the power gain seemed marginal. I bought an MS today, but waited until the details of the new GS became clear just in case.

I'll be watching this space with interest because I'll bet the new bike wins many over, but on the face of it, I was not convinced.
Good quality, good fit and finish, the nice gauge package, plenty of touring features; just as expected. People who haven't ridden anything else in the class will not be disappointed, but having tried the Multistrada I got spun around. No Africa plans for it so no worries.

As to looks, pretty is as pretty does in this segment.

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Old 10-03-2012, 03:12 AM   #2572
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I have had mine on order for 4 or 5 months now....
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:26 AM   #2573
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First impression: 99.9% street bike.
Actually, this bike i aimed to be MORE offroad than the previous version.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:26 AM   #2574
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Wet multiplate clutch is an excellent move for reliability, even though it will require more frequent oil changes........
Why???
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:54 AM   #2575
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Wet multiplate clutch is an excellent move for reliability, even though it will require more frequent oil changes.

New wheel widths are a bit strange [3.00x19 and 4.50x17] but will allow retrofitting of the slightly knobblier rubber available in the "traditional" 110/80-19 and 150/70-17 sizes.

Why no increase in bore/stroke to a 1250 or 1300?
Many would argue that 125hp is plenty for all sane purposes.
But for future marketing?
Probably the new cylinder walls have been planned to have enough beef to permit a future 3mm overbore (to 1240cc). The new larger [40/34mm] valves would become less masked ~ so maximum-power engine speed 7700rpm would hardly suffer. New pistons + minimal machining of the heads = a very cheap upgrade possible, when the marketers feel the need.
Who said that 125 bhp is all this engine is capable of? Could it be that they have decided this is enough for the GS but the road bikes will have more? The rt or hp might come with 150 for all anyone knows. There is usually a big difference between the same basic engines of say a saloon car and a 4x4. It all depends on where you belive the GS sits I suppose as in is it supposed to be a round the world adventure bike or is it simply a not very optimised touring bike that makes you look like an adventurer. There are two camps and I am guessing the adventure camp will think this is fine although probably wait until the adventure version comes. The other never leave the paved road camp probably see this as being weak and not good enough. Who knows maybe the power hunters might be better giving up the look and getting something like the 180 bhp 1600.
Either way I am pretty sure this bike will still be a huge seller for them and will keep the brand going for the next 8 years with the odd tweek here and there. Lets be honest the old 1200 was never the best at anything other than being the best over all package.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:01 AM   #2576
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Like I said from the get-go,the clutch sits in front of the engine behind the front engine cover;a big plus when it comes to maintenance...
125hp/nm are enough for the real world but I expected more to keep up with Duc/KTM on paper...
I/m not sold on the design of the too plasticy looking tank sidecovers and the looks of the gauges.
Also expected an underseat exhaust for 2 big side cases.
Having said that I'm sure one day the watercooled GS-ADV will replace my T-B GS-ADV...
All things considered it could have been worse but as a real upgrade I only see the location of the wet-clutch which makes it much cheaper to replace...Maybe E-gas,too...
I don't see many sales of Crosstourer,Explorer,Stelvio or Tenere' in 2013.
As for 25 hp more in new KTM 1190 or MS 1200 you can use sunday mornings 6:30 on german autobahns going 150 instead of 140 mph;I'd rather have the clean driveshaft...
The more things change,the more they stay the same !
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:17 AM   #2577
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Wot the deuce?

Wet multiplate clutch, as it wears with use, is shedding tiny particles of plate material ~ the amount [per day or per mile] depends on how much usage/abusage you give it. Touring use will hardly shorten your oil-change interval, but if you are a super-sporty rider with harsh & frequent clutch usage then it would be wise to go for frequent oil changes.

Same applies for off-road use, with much clutch-slippage at very low speeds in first gear.
Bottom gear is still quite tall for any slow work, off the bitumen. (Peak power 7700rpm equates to about 47mph ~ i.e. about 6mph per 1000rpm. Yes, something much lower would have been nice - on any bike with any degree of off-road pretensions - so a crawl 1st gear and 5 normal gears "for the road" would have been more realistic for an Adventure Bike. But that was never going to happen, because it would have been criticised by motorcycling journalists who are largely sports & road oriented. Still . . . we can live in hope that the yet-to-be-announced GSA model will have "adventure" gearing.)
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:03 AM   #2578
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Owning both a K16 (our bike), and a GSA (my bike) I can tell you that ride by wire, and slipper clutch are sensitive beasts and took a fair spell to get used to. I admit that the K16 is a two wheeled rocket ship, but I'm a bit concerned about how this girl will go off road. I'm sure it will be fine, but I also expect a fair learning curve, of course the 35+ HP difference may make it a non issue, only a test ride will tell. The other concern I have is the water pump, as they have been dropping like flies on the K16s, a good number of owners are on their second or third pump (myself included). Id like to think they have this sorted out, but the reports I'm getting on that forum lead me to believe it is not. BMW has been very god about replacing the pump, but that does not get you your time back. On the K16 the different TC settings make a huge difference, and I'm sure they will here as well. It is likely that one of the enduro settings cuts HP way down to give you a creeper gear. I'm not sold on the looks, but the only looks I really concern myself with are the ones over the bars. My initial impression is that this is really a hybrid between the K16, and the GS. Not a bad mix. I'm gonna test ride at the first convenient opportunity, but in the end I think I'll hold on to the 08 for a bit, and let it get beta tested before I buy. There is a lot to be said for the old tried and true oil/cam heads.

Besides the flea market is about to explode with farkles from those stepping into a new beast.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:28 AM   #2579
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The cylinder fins seem to be coarser than the air cooled version AND there are no fins on the rear of the jug. No real reason to have them as that is the chain tunnel.

The lower output alternator might be due to LED lights (the video seems to show LED headlights)?

Radial Disc Brakes

Sach suspension. Also of note but not BMW, the Ducati Multistrada S now comes with Sach suspension. I guess they have stepped up the quality to compete with Ohlins?

The shrouds for the radiators are providing additional air flow.

Now the question I have is how will the heat be handled? The airhead, oil head and hex head I have owned were pretty good about heat (except for the Oilhead Cat heating up your heal!). They all did an admirable job of keeping your feet from freezing in the winter.

I like it! But I'm not running out just yet to trade for my 2012

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Old 10-03-2012, 05:36 AM   #2580
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Like I said from the get-go,the clutch sits in front of the engine behind the front engine cover;a big plus when it comes to maintenance...
Wrong . The clutch is at the back of the engine, just above the transmission.

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I don't see many sales of Crosstourer,Explorer,Stelvio or Tenere' in 2013.
As for 25 hp more in new KTM 1190 or MS 1200 you can use sunday mornings 6:30 on german autobahns going 150 instead of 140 mph;I'd rather have the clean driveshaft...
The more things change,the more they stay the same !
Wrong again.. not everyone is a kool-aid drinker, not everyone has $20K plus to spend on one, not everyone wants to be a beta tester for BMW.

Honda USA / Honda Canada are making a big mistake by not bringing the Crosstourer here. Maybe it's just me, but when I'm on cross continent tours, I don't like to spend some or all of my vacation time dealing with mechanical breakdowns due to faulty design or parts.. DAMHIK..
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