The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by NoobIAm

Thanks for the images, Paul. I guess my confusion as to what we're getting in the U.S. arises from the fact that I don't see these listed under the Accessories tab for the New R 1200 GS on the BMW USA website… it only speaks to the auxiliary LED's. I certainly hope we'll see them.

Accessories are just that, they are not the same as options. It clearly states LED headlight in the BMW USA description.

[NoobIAm]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Accessories are just that, they are not the same as options. It clearly states LED headlight in the BMW USA description.

Technically, you are correct… however, they show several options under that tab… Akrapovic silencer, another windscreen, various footpegs, etc. So my point remains… they have introduced an element of confusion (at this point in time), by not calling out the headlight options. But, it wouldn't be marketing without such, now would it…

[Sltx1050]

Originally Posted by mkletecka

The new WC/GS looks very, very promising (I really like it). However, whats its wheelbase and head angle? If BMW went to "sport" with these changes, I just might stay old school with the previous version, because of its near perfect balance of canyon carving/stay with sport bikes and ability to tour.

The Wheelbase is dead identical and the was only slighty changed

[stubmw]

Well maybe it's just me, but any design where you need a fan to cool the head light seems kind of ridiculous. More so on a MC that has adventure pretensions.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by stubmw

Well maybe it's just me, but any design where you need a fan to cool the head light seems kind of ridiculous. More so on a MC that has adventure pretensions.

Embrace the future! Anything is better than the frequent halogen bulb outages and broken spring clips, right? LEDs handle vibration very well...I have one on my mt bike.

[tallguy-09]

34W lo-beam and hi-beam LED?

[NoobIAm]

Originally Posted by stubmw

Well maybe it's just me, but any design where you need a fan to cool the head light seems kind of ridiculous. More so on a MC that has adventure pretensions.

As stated somewhere earlier, the fan does more than cool… it is used to dehumidify and deice the lens by blowing the heat from the chips against it.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by NoobIAm

Technically, you are correct… however, they show several options under that tab… Akrapovic silencer, another windscreen, various footpegs, etc. So my point remains… they have introduced an element of confusion (at this point in time), by not calling out the headlight options. But, it wouldn't be marketing without such, now would it…

Those are accessories, not options, just as they've always been and are on any other BMW model. You buy them from the parts department.

[NoobIAm]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

34W lo-beam and hi-beam LED?

Most probably achieved by the design of the reflector. Two separate, but equal LED's… one concentrated for Hi and the other spread out for Lo.

[Ua the Destroyer]

I thought low beam headlights on all US motorcycles were required to be on at all times. Wouldn't that make the integrated u shaped ring pointless in the states if the low beam light in the housing was always illuminated? The u shaped light is not a a low beam headlight, it's just a daytime marker correct? That might explain the halogen light with non-integrated led daytime running light, it's a way of meeting us regulations, but giving us some led technology.

[NoobIAm]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Those are accessories, not options, just as they've always been and are on any other BMW model. You buy them from the parts department.

Well…. I would submit that any "accessory" requiring that BMW install it, could rightly be classed as an option… especially where it replaces a stock item. But you say tomato, I say tahmahto…

[ragtoplvr]

A HID capsule and halogen capsule really don't care much how hot they run. Electronics components do. So all that will happen if your halogen capsule operates at 250C air is more light, an led would fail right away. Also, keeping the LED cooler will really extend its life, if you keep it at 100F over 150 F the life is much longer. Good reason to use the fan.

Rod

[tallguy-09]

So we have 2 different DRL's. One nice U-shaped and the other large module below the high beam. Both aren't considered lo-beams, right?

Originally Posted by Ua the Destroyer

I thought low beam headlights on all US motorcycles were required to be on at all times. Wouldn't that make the integrated u shaped ring pointless in the states if the low beam light in the housing was always illuminated? The u shaped light is not a a low beam headlight, it's just a daytime marker correct? That might explain the halogen light with non-integrated led daytime running light, it's a way of meeting us regulations, but giving us some led technology.

[sbrownn]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

28K how did you come up with that?

I don't know. There are at least 5 add on packages and I figured they would cost about $1500 apiece. I'm sure I am wrong but the fact remains that a lot of the stuff that comes standard on the Multi will be added to the base price of the BMW. Don't get me wrong I would much prefer the BMW but I'm not sure I want to bend over that far.

[stubmw]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Embrace the future! Anything is better than the frequent halogen bulb outages and broken spring clips, right? LEDs handle vibration very well...I have one on my mt bike.

If we now require cooling/dehumidifying fans on our motorcycle headlights the future seems complex.

I guess as long as it's reliable as an anvil it won't matter.