The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by cug

It shows up for you because you're logged in to your Evernote account, but you should be happy that nobody else is.

Is there a way to make it "public"? Or put it somewhere else, like PhotoBucket, Flickr, SmugMug.

I thought I had...seems to work now https://www.evernote.com/shard/s253/...5acbadb40fffb1

[cug]

And when the coded plug is used, the individual Dynamic ESA setting is preserved over a change of riding mode. Without the coded plug all settings are set to default, e.g. when turning off the ignition. ABS and ASC can be manually disengaged by the rider in all modes. With the coded plug inserted, the systems remain deactivated when restarting the bike after having turned off the ignition before.

Wow. I think that's the first bike offering this. Nice for some people.

I really, really like what I'm reading about this new GS. It becomes more and more clear that I'll get one next year.

[Sock Monkey]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

Look what I found!

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s253/...429911e1716357

Sorry can't get pic to post, click link. Dyno graph for new GS

I hope that's a graph from a pre-production bike/ECU, or the wrong graph, or something, because that torque curve looks like a mountain range....not a single mountain, but LOTS of them! WTF!?!?! Can't the wexer (WetBoxer....WoXer? ) put out a nice, wide, FLAT torque curve?

-SM

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by Sock Monkey

I hope that's a graph from a pre-production bike/ECU, or the wrong graph, or something, because that torque curve looks like a mountain range....not a single mountain, but LOTS of them! WTF!?!?! Can't the wexer (WetBoxer....WoXer? ) put out a nice, wide, FLAT torque curve?

-SM

It's from BMW's media package. I compared several RPMs along the curve to the camhead and the new bike has higher torque at every point I checked. I think part of it is the scale used in this graph that makes it look peaky.

[cug]

Originally Posted by Sock Monkey

Can't the wexer (WetBoxer....WoXer? ) put out a nice, wide, FLAT torque curve?

I think it's partly the stupid exhaust valve thing that kicks in at certain RPM for German noise regulations. I never actually noticed it on the 2010 I had:



It certainly looks pretty bad, but I really never noticed. I noticed the hacking, kicking, and bucking of the Multi below 3.5k rpm (Disclaimer: the one I tested was super bad, there seems to have been improvements and the 2013 adds a lot of improvements for this, too) much more and it annoyed me much more than the weird torque curve of the boxer.

I had a 2010 R1200GS and this curve was barely noticeable when riding. There was a bit of a dip around 5k rpm, but it wasn't bad or so. And in normal riding, the behavior below 5k was much more important for me. I'm not certain how much you'll actually feel the dips on the new one. Time will tell.

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by cug

I think it's partly the stupid exhaust valve thing that kicks in at certain RPM for German noise regulations. I never actually noticed it on the 2010 I had:



It certainly looks pretty bad, but I really never noticed. I noticed the hacking, kicking, and bucking of the Multi below 3.5k rpm (Disclaimer: the one I tested was super bad, there seems to have been improvements and the 2013 adds a lot of improvements for this, too) much more and it annoyed me much more than the weird torque curve of the boxer.

I had a 2010 R1200GS and this curve was barely noticeable when riding. There was a bit of a dip around 5k rpm, but it wasn't bad or so. And in normal riding, the behavior below 5k was much more important for me. I'm not certain how much you'll actually feel the dips on the new one. Time will tell.

It's interesting though, if you look at the camhead's dyno chart in this thread that uses a different scale, it looks very flat, but compare the woxer torque at anypoint to the camhead torque on the other chart and the woxer is higher, at least the points I checked, so I think the torque curve is a lot flatter than it looks. Camhead dyno thread: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...highlight=dyno

[JoeDuck]

Originally Posted by cug

Wow. I think that's the first bike offering this. Nice for some people.

I really, really like what I'm reading about this new GS. It becomes more and more clear that I'll get one next year.

Didn't BMW do something similar with Race mode or w/e it was on the S1000RR wrt a dongle needed for a specific mode?

Not liking the Tiger8?

[cug]

Originally Posted by JoeDuck

Not liking the Tiger8?

Love the Tiger and I'm very likely not getting rid of it. Just too many bikes out there to try. I'm on a crazy schedule there to offset my crazy work load and schedule a little bit I guess.

[Hunter6]

Is that dongle provided with the bike, or do they want extra money for it?

[NoobIAm]

Originally Posted by Hunter6

Is that dongle provided with the bike, or do they want extra money for it?

What marque is on the badge?

[yellowbirdrs]

Originally Posted by joeybeats

I looked at the video again and now believe that the implication that the multi-controller controls anything other than the nav iv is pure speculation on our part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWA24OA08-c

Pay particular attention around 5:45 and you will see that the demonstration uses the controller but it isn't followed by anything other than manually adjusting the windshield with a turning knob. Somewhat funny that they are playing with the controller at all since there is no GPS on the bike.

Also, the ESC is manipulated at 5:00 with the ESC button and they do then cut to the computer screen showing them toggle through the choices. You might reasonably expect them to do the same thing with the controller if it were actually controlling something on the bike.

Finally, look at 4:30 and you will see that again they have a shot of the the mode switch being used, followed by a cut to the computer screen showing the modes toggled through.

In short, I politely suggest that their editing the use of the controller into the video is the cause of the implication that the controller does anything more than what is described in the literature, ie, that it controls the nav iv. On the other hand, I've not read the article that was mentioned above or do I otherwise have any personal knowledge of how the controller works. Joey

PS- Two things: 1. I still want one! 2. If I do get one and want to use that multi-controller, I'll have to get rid of my 550 because it won't work with it. HAHA

about the Multi-controller, I really think the GS have the same as the 2011-2012 RT and in the GS case is not going to be a Multi-nothing just the GPS also the GS didn't have the K1600 color TFT where you can control the heated grips, ESA and almost everything in the RT it's only for Radio and GPS and for us just the GPS no radio no grips no nothing!

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by Hunter6

Is that dongle provided with the bike, or do they want extra money for it?

Good question, I don't see it listed on the options or accessories list though....

[DiabloTejano]

Originally Posted by JoeDuck

Put some kirsch in that and you have part of a good fondue

Death by a thousand sporks? I'd rather avoid anything that would relate to the worlds biggest consumer of sporks (aka KFC).

since Germans(and Hawaiians) like to jam words together it should be
der wasserboxermiteinsporkennase

[JoeDuck]

Originally Posted by DiabloTejano

since Germans(and Hawaiians) like to jam words together it should be
der wasserboxermiteinsporkennase

That has my vote.

[RichBMW]

Well that's it. Deposit placed last week This will be a long 5 months.