The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[cug]

Originally Posted by Montauk

It seems that the new engine sits lower than the older version. This would definitely create lower center of gravity and help stabilize more.

Camera angle I bet.

[tallguy-09]

I don't think you can tell from the picture, can you? One is just sitting there and the other is loaded. Ground clearance is higher on the new, that would rather indicate a higher center of gravity.
QUOTE=Montauk;19854171]It seems that the new engine sits lower than the older version. This would definitely create lower center of gravity and help stabilize more.[/QUOTE]

[Sock Monkey]

Originally Posted by mkletecka

As I've mentioned before, should I get the tried and proven AC/GS or wait in line, pay full price and get soaked on the new WC/GS? IMHO, my 2009 GS was the best “street/real world” do-it-all machine I've owned (I’m sorry I sold it). With that in mind, how much faster can I really go on the new WC/GS, how much better will it handle? Will it be more comfortable? Etc., Etc.

Well, the more I look at the new WC and its specs, “I feel” (feelings can be deceptive) the sum total of the changes / refinements of the new WC will add up - and out class, and surpass the previous version by a good margin. However, my pocket book is asking me, will it be $5K to $7K better than a used 2011 or 12, which many will be trading in or selling? In short, at this time I don’t which one to get!!!

Only you know that answer. You had an '09 that you say you loved, yet for some reason you got rid of it. Why? And will the '13 address the "why"? If yes, wait and get the '13. If no....get something that will address it. Easy.

-SM

[twinrider]

Originally Posted by Emoto

Typical BMW boxer industrial farting sound.

If you think so you've never owned an 1100 oilhead..

[oalvarez]

hiyas Mckletecka ol' friend....i'm in the same boat as you.....based on what i've seen thus far, the WC GS is going to be a better road going bike, i'm sure of it, and that is what draws me to it (the additional weight does not). having said that, i might be pulling the trigger today on a AC GS (new) as a hedge of sorts against both what I might sell (MTS12st) and what I might buy in the future ('13 WC GS). nothing will top the road riding capability of the MTS12s in my eyes, but the simplicity of the current GS (and its refinement) appeals to me more and more by the day. an expensive proposition but one that i'm willing to pay for.

[TomDoe]

Originally Posted by GSMarc

@ TEXZEN

New WC-GS



DOHC GS

So the new GS is smaller inseam wise...:(...bad news for us, "proper sized" riders...

[cug]

Originally Posted by TomDoe

So the new GS is smaller inseam wise...:(...bad news for us, "proper sized" riders...

Why would that be? The instep length is mainly influenced by three things:

1) seat height
2) width of seat at narrowest point
3) width of bike where your legs go down

The only real comfort factor is the first in combination width seat to peg distance as I doubt BMW will make the whole seat narrower. It is likely just better shaped, which isn't very hard as the old one was actually fairly clumsy designed. Other things that got in the way where air intake and and just general shape.

And if you think proper sized means "fat ass" it will still fit you. If you mean "long legged" than again I doubt there will be any difference as long as your knees fit behind the air intakes that are now just in front of the knees. But as the rider on the magazine photo above doesn't look particularly short legged, I don't think that will be a concern either.

[tallguy-09]

You can get the Offroad seat.
http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/b...ml?prm_action=

Originally Posted by TomDoe

So the new GS is smaller inseam wise...:(...bad news for us, "proper sized" riders...

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by GB

The BMW publicity video clearly shows the rider selecting ESA modes with the rotary dial. I have an inkling that the only thing you won't be able to do with it is to control the GPS. It might have been lost in translation "nicht kontrol das GPS" this is true of the RT. in the K1600 the rotary dial controls some GPS functions only if you ordered the bike with GPS prep kit and you used the BMW nav 4. Using the zumo 660 won't work. The latter will power up but no control from the dial. SO my hunch the rotary dial on the gs will allow the rider to scroll thru and select various menu options, except the GPS.

We discussed this same thing a few days ago and seemed like everyone came to the conclusion that the video does not show that... The rotary dial in BMW's option list is called 'preparation for navigation'...that gives me a clue of what it does.

[McFuryMcNugget]

He he hee sounds like a LION growl fucking love it.

Or should i say a Lion at its prime with full of fluids to vapurize : )

McFury. Who is Inn need of a new pussycat.

Originally Posted by twinrider

Sounds good. Need to use the embed code.

[JoeDuck]

Originally Posted by EJ_92606

We discussed this same thing a few days ago and seemed like everyone came to the conclusion that the video does not show that... The rotary dial in BMW's option list is called 'preparation for navigation'...that gives me a clue of what it does.

Guess I'm still a naysayer then. I don't believe the wheel is only for Nav. To me it looked like the rider selected what to change (eg: ASC or w/e) then dialed in/set the mode w/the wheel. Again with an I guess it makes zero sense to put the wheel on solely for Nav. Even in the video Nav was never shown, rather an odd omission if the only function the wheel is tied do was that.

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by twinrider

If you think so you've never owned an 1100 oilhead..

No, I did. I put around 50k miles on an R1100RS. I thought what I have heard of this new bike's engine/exhaust sound is right in the same ballpark. Not identical, but not far off. IMHO. Besides, I was just trying to get a rise out of... you.

[TomDoe]

Originally Posted by tallguy-09

You can get the Offroad seat.
http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/b...ml?prm_action=

Yes I know, but on the 2009 GS I have an adventure seat with custom made "hinges" (+ 1 cm height) and I still drag my feet like on a minimoto...:)) (inseam >37 is a b**ch)

[TomDoe]

Originally Posted by cug

Why would that be? The instep length is mainly influenced by three things:

1) seat height
2) width of seat at narrowest point
3) width of bike where your legs go down

The only real comfort factor is the first in combination width seat to peg distance as I doubt BMW will make the whole seat narrower. It is likely just better shaped, which isn't very hard as the old one was actually fairly clumsy designed. Other things that got in the way where air intake and and just general shape.

And if you think proper sized means "fat ass" it will still fit you. If you mean "long legged" than again I doubt there will be any difference as long as your knees fit behind the air intakes that are now just in front of the knees. But as the rider on the magazine photo above doesn't look particularly short legged, I don't think that will be a concern either.

I was just commenting official inseam length specs:

WC-GS Arcade entrejambe 1870 / 1910 mm
DOHC GS Arco del cavallo, con peso a vuoto Lunghezza al cavallo 1.890/1.940 mm

[GB]

Originally Posted by joeybeats

GB, will you please provide a link to the publicity video you are referencing? Thanks! Joey

It was posted earlier in this thread.. It's an official bmw video, near the end of it, you see the rider using it, and scrolling back and forth.. Here's another one showing all the functions of the display.. Press ESA, then change the settings with the rotary dial, press the info/menu button and select functions from there with the dial.. very easy to use, very intuitive, I figured it out without reading the owner's manual.. I usually look at the manual only when I'm stuck.

Go to around 4:40 and 5:50



The mode button on the right is to change the driving modes: Enduro, Rain, Road, Dynamic. (different engine maps. ESA, ADC, etc.. push the button then select with the rotary wheel.