ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > GSpot > GS Boxers
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-01-2013, 12:37 PM   #4651
RichBMW
Beastly Adventurer
 
RichBMW's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Location: Surrey, UK
Oddometer: 2,198
Quote:
Originally Posted by oalvarez View Post
I believe that we're all asking or wondering the same thing, but who's to say that BMW is right? After all, aren't these the same people who designed the final drive (amongst other parts that have experienced failure) on the last few series of GS bikes?
They have to get it right this time. There's far more at stake Time will tell
__________________
2016 BMW S1000XR Sport SE
2015 BMW R1200GSAW
RichBMW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 12:52 PM   #4652
Marki_GSA
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Location: Scotland
Oddometer: 702
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voluhzia View Post
Now, you've just offended the majority big bike members here who ride the behemoths offroad to compensate :)


Facebook
Nova Scotia on Explorer
LOL I hadn't thought of it like that.
Marki_GSA is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 12:53 PM   #4653
fixinbones
Tarmac Adventurer
 
fixinbones's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: New York
Oddometer: 2,012
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichBMW View Post
My point is that everyone is jumping on the fact that 2 journo's had a tankslapper on the new model, when people have had tankslappers on the old one. This is nothing new, and certainly isn't a manufacturing error. If you ride too fast off road, and hit a dip, or large stone at speed, you're going to have a problem. Regardless of the bike.
Couldn't have said it better. This wouldn't change my opinion to purchase the bike if I was planning to do so.
__________________
'13 Ducati Diavel AMG #163
'09 KTM 65XC (son's ride)

Gone: '10 Ducati Multistrada 1200S, '11 BMW R1200GS, '10 BMW S1000RR, '08 BMW HP2 Megamoto, '07 KTM 950SMR, '05 BMW R1200GS, '94 BMW R1100R
fixinbones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 01:12 PM   #4654
NLS
My bike needs washing...
 
NLS's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Location: GREECE!
Oddometer: 3,188
Very good discussion. We are all guessing though.

I choose to believe that the ratio 2 to 20 (or 3 to 20) is not normal among experienced moto mag testers.

I WANT to believe that either nothing is wrong after all, or that it is a software thing.

I DEFINITELY want to believe that people from BMW have reached this thread somehow :) and/or have actually followed up with the jurnos that had the thing happen to figure what is wrong.

We'll see I guess. Actually I am a bit happy with not having the money to order first bunch.
I cannot stand a huge number of recalls. I had a fair share of recalls for a 2007 model (bought new) of a bike already 3 years in the market.
__________________
NLS
My Blog
When the going gets tough, the tough get going...
NLS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 01:21 PM   #4655
I GS 1
I 90S I
 
I GS 1's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: SI, New Zealand
Oddometer: 651
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ze_zaskar View Post
This kind of stuff just strengthens my everlasting thoughts that the Telelever is a bad idea in a bike like the GS.
I've tried some GSs over the years, and the fork is one of the reasons why I feel my S10 better offroad.

Unfortunatelly I belive the Telelever is one of those german things made to make the GS "different", AKA design arrogance
The saying "each to their own" sure rings true. Telelever is one of the things I love the most about my GS. Maybe I notice the difference it makes much more is because the other bike I ride a lot is my R90S. It's a bike I have loved for the past 38years but it could sure do with Telelever.
I GS 1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 01:26 PM   #4656
Jltrd
Adventurer
 
Joined: May 2008
Oddometer: 27
Gee, I guess I'm missing something. All I get from the reviews is the new GS is going to be a great road/touring bike (which is what I want) and that I'll have to restrain myself from riding standing up doing 45mph+ over washboard terrain. What's the problem? :

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Jltrd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 01:29 PM   #4657
velimlje
Adventurer
 
velimlje's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Serbia -Montenegro
Oddometer: 14
Cool2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jltrd View Post
Gee, I guess I'm missing something. All I get from the reviews is the new GS is going to be a great road/touring bike (which is what I want) and that I'll have to restrain myself from riding standing up doing 45mph+ over washboard terrain. What's the problem? :

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
You told them !!! Could not agree more ....
velimlje is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 02:15 PM   #4658
ShaftEd
Beastly Adventurer
 
ShaftEd's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Location: San Diego, CA USA
Oddometer: 3,361
The patient says, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Then don't do that!"
ShaftEd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 02:26 PM   #4659
Ze_zaskar
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Ze_zaskar's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: 4117'51.59"N / 843'56.76"W
Oddometer: 309
Quote:
Originally Posted by I GS 1 View Post
The saying "each to their own" sure rings true. Telelever is one of the things I love the most about my GS. Maybe I notice the difference it makes much more is because the other bike I ride a lot is my R90S. It's a bike I have loved for the past 38years but it could sure do with Telelever.
Can't argue about that. I'm not saying that there are no good things about the Tele. It's sure makes the long travel front end behave a lot more like a short sportive fork on twisty roads, and that sure feels fun and sure footed.
I just find it inadequate for this kind of bike, both theoretically (I'm a mechanical engineer, I tend to over-analyse stuff) and when riding a GS with it (bad roads/offroad)
Ze_zaskar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 02:31 PM   #4660
RichBMW
Beastly Adventurer
 
RichBMW's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Location: Surrey, UK
Oddometer: 2,198
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jltrd View Post
Gee, I guess I'm missing something. All I get from the reviews is the new GS is going to be a great road/touring bike (which is what I want) and that I'll have to restrain myself from riding standing up doing 45mph+ over washboard terrain. What's the problem? :

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Exactly
__________________
2016 BMW S1000XR Sport SE
2015 BMW R1200GSAW
RichBMW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 02:34 PM   #4661
tallguy-09
Smile 4 Miles
 
tallguy-09's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Vancouver
Oddometer: 1,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ze_zaskar View Post
Can't argue about that. I'm not saying that there are no good things about the Tele. It's sure makes the long travel front end behave a lot more like a short sportive fork on twisty roads, and that sure feels fun and sure footed.
I just find it inadequate for this kind of bike, both theoretically (I'm a mechanical engineer, I tend to over-analyse stuff) and when riding a GS with it (bad roads/offroad)
I find that all interesting. I may be the exception here but with my 2010 I've never ever felt anything weird about the Telelever. Maybe once while accelerating like crazy the front wheel left the road and that was supposed to happen I guess. You guys here all seem to be road racers + serious off-road riders. Heck, I need to learn how to ride my GS properly!
tallguy-09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 03:02 PM   #4662
Jltrd
Adventurer
 
Joined: May 2008
Oddometer: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by tallguy-09 View Post
I find that all interesting. I may be the exception here but with my 2010 I've never ever felt anything weird about the Telelever. Maybe once while accelerating like crazy the front wheel left the road and that was supposed to happen I guess. You guys here all seem to be road racers + serious off-road riders. Heck, I need to learn how to ride my GS properly!
I agree and add that a serious racer or serious off road rider would probably be happier with something other than the R1200GS. I had an 06 GS for seven years and it was the best all around motorcycle I've had (6). But I don't race and I don't do serious off road. If I did I would have bought an appropriate bike for those activities.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Jltrd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 03:06 PM   #4663
EJ_92606
Rider
 
EJ_92606's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Oddometer: 1,779
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jltrd View Post
Gee, I guess I'm missing something. All I get from the reviews is the new GS is going to be a great road/touring bike (which is what I want) and that I'll have to restrain myself from riding standing up doing 45mph+ over washboard terrain. What's the problem? :

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Are you joking? It's an adventure bike...if it can't go 45mph on a fireroad there is a problem.
EJ_92606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 03:08 PM   #4664
Alpha Wolfman
Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: People's Republic of California
Oddometer: 16
[QUOTE=NLS;20627824]Very good discussion. We are all guessing though.

I choose to believe that the ratio 2 to 20 (or 3 to 20) is not normal among experienced moto mag testers.


Agreed we are all guessing: Wild A** Guess (WAG) which is fun but UN-productive!

I Choose to believe that two of the testers forgot or screwed up changing the settings when the conditions changed, and that the settings make a huge difference to the motorcycle (as reported about the settings differences). I wouldn't want to take a bike with high-speed rebound settings or spring rates set for the street down a dirt road at speed. It makes complete sense to me how this could happen.
Alpha Wolfman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2013, 03:15 PM   #4665
EJ_92606
Rider
 
EJ_92606's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Oddometer: 1,779
[QUOTE=Alpha Wolfman;20628686]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLS View Post
Very good discussion. We are all guessing though.

I choose to believe that the ratio 2 to 20 (or 3 to 20) is not normal among experienced moto mag testers.


Agreed we are all guessing: Wild A** Guess (WAG) which is fun but UN-productive!

I Choose to believe that two of the testers forgot or screwed up changing the settings when the conditions changed, and that the settings make a huge difference to the motorcycle (as reported about the settings differences). I wouldn't want to take a bike with high-speed rebound settings or spring rates set for the street down a dirt road at speed. It makes complete sense to me how this could happen.
You're going to have to explain the ratio comment...3/20 is fact and may go higher as we hear more...it certainly is not normal and that's why we're discussing it.

Regarding the rider mistaking the settings, I would have to guess that stopping to check the suspension settings after you just crapped your shorts because the fork stops broke off during a violent tank slapper would be the first thing you would do, no? These riders aren't idiots.
EJ_92606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 08:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2015