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Old 02-04-2013, 07:05 AM   #4831
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Well, I'm not going to buy a BMW, but for other reasons. I want BMW succeed in their efforts and see them on the road or off... It's a flagship of Adventure motorcycles after all and let it be...


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Old 02-04-2013, 07:53 AM   #4832
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I was thinking just the opposite Jim...several with low post counts poo pooing the concerns over headshake.
The possible replies to this are nearly limitless. You are correct, of course, in establishing a direct correlation between a high post count and... well, what exactly?
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:20 AM   #4833
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The possible replies to this are nearly limitless. You are correct, of course, in establishing a direct correlation between a high post count and... well, what exactly?
Perhaps someone can run a statistical analysis... I was just making an off hand response to JVBs comment.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:09 AM   #4834
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Are you referring to me? I'm not poo pooing the concerns over headshake, but am saying that I do not believe that it is as big an issue as everyone is making out. If it is an issue, BMW will sort it. Period.
I just looked up the word poo poo I had previously thought poo poo meant exactly what you said above, but the dictionary says it means to dismiss an idea, so I guess not the proper word choice.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:14 AM   #4835
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In any case it is interesting how every time a GS update comes out, it's like crabs crawling on the rocks when the sun comes out.


For myself, this new bike represents two things, a better, far more modern boxer motor for the future and a reminder for traditionalists to grab a dohc camhead, while they're still floating about, as it was a very worthy final edition air / oil cooled example, of the original build design format.

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Old 02-04-2013, 09:35 AM   #4836
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Why what is wrong with my non-DOHC 2007?
First with non-servo brakes and ASC but before the facelift.

(ok those threads are really weird when no real new info is out for the topic)
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:37 AM   #4837
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but am saying that I do not believe that it is as big an issue as everyone is making out. If it is an issue, BMW will sort it. Period.
i don't think anyone is making it out to be a "big issue" but rather one that concerns them, and in other cases, some find no problem with it whatsoever. if some don't feel like paying $20k for the bike in the next few weeks then so be it, the same goes for those who still do.

no one is telling you or anyone else not to purchase the bike upon its release. whatever suits each individual best is all that really matters.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:44 AM   #4838
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no one is telling you or anyone else not to purchase the bike upon its release. whatever suits each individual best is all that really matters.
I personally wouldn't listen to them either way, as its a decision that only the purchaser can make. And I have. The bike is being delivered in week 11, and I can't wait
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:51 AM   #4839
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Pre-sales must be going really well here in EU. heard the local dealer mention today to a wannabe LC'er that if he ordered one today, delivery probably will be somewhere in September .
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:09 AM   #4840
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The PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain) still value/buy German products, just kidding!

To me personally it's not an impulse buy so I can wait...
Well just a few German products. After all I am sure BMW factories are full of emigrants.
That said, many of us will buy second hand and second hand is not money to BMW.
This was also the case with current model. I am sure that more than half (or more than 2/3rds actually) must have been bought second hand (imported second hand). Nice feeling to know that I paid 18k for a bike that that other pretender in the traffic lights, bought for 8k...

My two BMWs were both bought new, but life changes. We'll see.

BTW, I am not fond of the term you used although I am very well aware it is being used.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:45 AM   #4841
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I just deleted my stupid post, now you guys can delete yours...

Germany benefits from Europe and we manged our re-unification so we better make Europe work as well.
Of course I smiled when I heard rumors of the Acropolis being re-branded into a BMW show-room but it's too serious to be funny considering what it does to the people, so I'm sorry.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:47 AM   #4842
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Pre-sales must be going really well here in EU. heard the local dealer mention today to a wannabe LC'er that if he ordered one today, delivery probably will be somewhere in September .
Then they must have sold big time at the motor show. My dealer informed me when I went to the show (on the monday) that deliveries were already at mid april. Perhaps it is dealer related. Well, I am glad to hear that I made the right choise and made an early order.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:13 PM   #4843
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I just deleted my stupid post, now you guys can delete yours...

Germany benefits from Europe and we manged our re-unification so we better make Europe work as well.
Of course I smiled when I heard rumors of the Acropolis being re-branded into a BMW show-room but it's too serious to be funny considering what it does to the people, so I'm sorry.
No need to edit, it is good enough that you realized what you realized.
As for the Acropolis joke... I always appreciate good jokes.
We all (should) know what Acropolis stands for the western civilization.
It has stood there for 2500 years, surviving wars, bombing etc.
I am sure a joke won't shade it worse than the smog.

The bad thing? The smog we have nowadays in Athens is NOT by car pollution. It is because of oil prices and the crisis, many many people reverted to using fireplaces... and burning wood that shouldn't burn (like old furniture). This gave rise to dangerous pollutants in the atmosphere. I am sure THIS helps Germany stabilize Europe.
Or the 2+ daily suicides (which for a 10m country, is a rather large score).
I won't go into deeper details. Bear in mind only that people that still have work (esp. those outside the corrupted civil services), work for 10+ work hours daily. (because we also have the "lazy" tag)

Anyway, this is a BMW R1200GS 2013 thread ain't it? Anybody has news about it?
Because when we don't have news we tend to go off topic.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:15 PM   #4844
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i don't think anyone is making it out to be a "big issue" but rather one that concerns them, and in other cases, some find no problem with it whatsoever. if some don't feel like paying $20k for the bike in the next few weeks then so be it, the same goes for those who still do.

no one is telling you or anyone else not to purchase the bike upon its release. whatever suits each individual best is all that really matters.
What I find amusing are all the "I'm 100% interested" who are now "concerned" or "not so sure anymore" because of the "possible head shake issue". I think it's great for BMW (who obviously knew about the "problem" because they have been testing the bike for 5 years) getting the information out there (by having Moto journalist test the bike) so that you can decide if this is the right bike for you. Just think how upset you would have been if you were blasting down a dirt road, standing on the pegs, only to find out that your 17-20+ k, 525 lbs, paralever front end dual sport, has a head shake problem under certain specific conditions. Whew, that was a close one.

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Old 02-04-2013, 12:17 PM   #4845
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What I find amusing are all the "I'm 100% interested" who are now "concerned" or "not so sure anymore" because of the "possible head shake issue". I think it's great for BMW (who obviously knew about the "problem" because they have been testing the bike for 5 years) getting the information out there (by having Moto journalist test the bike) so that you can decide if this is the right bike for you. Just think how upset you would have been if you were blasting down a dirt road, standing on the pegs, only to find out that your 17-20+ k, 525 lbs, paralever front end dual sport, has a head shake problem under certain specific conditions. Whew, that was a close one.

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So what bike do you have and for how long you have it?
Wait just saw in your profile...
Thing is, your bike (and mine) doesn't do that.
Go on, try it.
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