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Old 02-06-2013, 12:44 AM   #4936
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That's what happens when BMW is foolish and allows themselves to be lured into competing with bikes ,like the Multistrada, that never were competitors in the first place. Wide rims and horsepower at the expense of low end torque, all for the idiots who have no idea what a GS is really about. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be great if the Adventure model lives up to it's name and comes with the same rim widths it's predecessors used.
While you have a point, for BMW to actually "look around" is not bad.
Indeed most people use GS for the Strasse part, the magic is to keep the Gelande part alive - and I think they do.

Wider rims are better compromise to get some better road handling than changing the diameter (and loosing off road abilities further).

As for the torque what are you talking about?
The torque is higher in all rev range.
Someone even complained about a dip mid-range, possibly forgetting that ALL 12GS have it (and there is a reason of course).
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:57 AM   #4937
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Someone even complained about a dip mid-range, possibly forgetting that ALL 12GS have it (and there is a reason of course).
Got a few questions about that one.

What is the reason?

If you don't like a "dip in the mid range" does it matter whether all GS's have it?

Is everyone supposed to like the fact that it had it because it's a GS?

Should Triumph now go and engineer a dip in the mid range to compete?

Are there good dips and bad dips?

Is there a correct place to have a dip?
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:13 AM   #4938
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Got a few questions about that one.

What is the reason?

If you don't like a "dip in the mid range" does it matter whether all GS's have it?

Is everyone supposed to like the fact that it had it because it's a GS?

Should Triumph now go and engineer a dip in the mid range to compete?

Are there good dips and bad dips?

Is there a correct place to have a dip?
The reason AFAIK is this is where they measure exchaust fumes (at least in Germany, almost surely also rest of Europe).
BTW that dip is not very hard to fight.
How Triumph handles this? (since you mentioned it) I don't know, didn't pay attention, maybe they still have a dip, maybe less pronounced. I don't really care.

Not getting your "good and bad dips" thing. It's probably irony. Way to go man.
Since you say it though, all dips are bad if you ask me. That said, I don't even think of the one that my 2007 makes. My right hand has learned to adjust to it anyway (and the controller I have installed).

And I am sure you know: You don't HAVE to like GS and you don't HAVE to buy one. Ah! And they don't make the GS specially for YOUR liking (or mine for that matter).
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:49 AM   #4939
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And I am sure you know: You don't HAVE to like GS and you don't HAVE to buy one. Ah! And they don't make the GS specially for YOUR liking (or mine for that matter).
Well, I don't really like the looks of it, but I still bought one. (I just compare it with an SUV) There are more beautifull bikes, there are sportier bikes, there are better bikes offroad... But as an all-rounder there are few to beat it. And I spend enough time on it to appreciate those things.

And for the dip in power? I don't really care. Still enough power. I want an engine with lots of reserves and can go a long way.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:50 AM   #4940
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The reason AFAIK is this is where they measure exchaust fumes........
Thanks for the response. Yeah that...

Some of it was a bit Tongue in cheek, I don't spend all my life in GS forums and I thought "the dip" may be a "tradition" in some respects or something , like the HD "potato" sound.
Sort of a signature dip honed to perfection through the ages and protected by feral Germanic monks...

There I go again....
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:56 AM   #4941
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No it is just because the Germans don't know how to satisfy TUV better.
As you said, probably Triumph does know.

Good for them.
I am sure it reflects on sales.
(and for Yamaha's representative on the category - don't know where you are, but here they had to drop a couple of thousand euros to get them make a few sales - stupid consumers that know nothing...)
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:58 AM   #4942
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Thanks for the response. Yeah that...

Some of it was a bit Tongue in cheek, I don't spend all my life in GS forums and I thought "the dip" may be a "tradition" in some respects or something , like the HD "potato" sound.
Sort of a signature dip honed to perfection through the ages and protected by feral Germanic monks...

There I go again....
you being a little disengenious.The S10 thread prolly discusses the gs almost as much as the s10
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:05 AM   #4943
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you being a little disengenious
It's like I am sure that in the Metric cruisers forums they often don't get the HD forums "passion" or the why and etc.

I don't get both of them.

Often you just get the occasional fly by that sprouts things like "lack of character" etc etc.

So I was wondering whether "the dip" was just one of those things..Whether too much dip was bad but just enough dip was "character".

No I don't work for the competition. It's not really that important.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:24 AM   #4944
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It's like I am sure that in the Metric cruisers forums they often don't get the HD forums "passion" or the why and etc.

I don't get both of them.

Often you just get the occasional fly by that sprouts things like "lack of character" etc etc.

So I was wondering whether "the dip" was just one of those things..Whether too much dip was bad but just enough dip was "character".

No I don't work for the competition. It's not really that important.
Well I don't think we can compare people that love cruisers and/or HD (i.e. bikes with "heritage" and a single purpose, to shine bright when they pass before chicks), with people that support the benchmark of "do it all" motorcycles.

No the dip is not "character" and yes I wish they could do it better (in fact I wish for other things that they should do better BEFORE fixing the dip - there I said it). It's not anything worth mentioning though, after some use of the bike only the dyno graphs are there to remind it. My Alfa Romeo also has this when the extra valves open, ah and way stronger with 99% of turbo charged cars. Also Ducati has something different (esp. noticed in previous MS)... Engine is dead until you are near the red line. We don't have a dip, we have a huge step. They still like it. No I don't think it is character. Character is that it sounds like broken (read: desmo).
Nice to have a choice eh?

That said, I NEVER visited another model's forum to say about the GS OR that other model (as being worse than the GS or whatever). Having visited many fora though and this seems to be almost unique to GS. That tells me something (actually it says many things).

All these said, we are still supposedly on the thread that discusses the new 12GS.
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Is it too much to ask to read about the bike and not about opinions of the bike?
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:56 AM   #4946
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Head shake , now dip ...

You guys are not serious ...

Here is my older post , just to clarify diping feature from german teutonic monks

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Now again , if you combine this chart that showed up in BMW literature



and then use same chart for older model from Web bike world



and then

first correct mistakes that they did by swithing labels on axis ( thanks EJ 92606 .. )

then

adjust for diferent spans of rpm , adjust the scale and do it just a bit more precisely than I tried before

it looks something like this




Me like it !!!
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:39 AM   #4948
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Head shake , now dip ...

You guys are not serious ...
Not really. Just passing the time/ This 24/7 news cycle is tough man.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:20 AM   #4949
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Is it too much to ask to read about the bike and not about opinions of the bike?
Well then you need to visit some moto review page (well there you still get the opinion of the reviewer, along with a copy of BMW data), BMW Motorrad page (erm... then you get the opinion of BMW about its own bike, along with the pure data).

A forum has "opinions" in its DNA. It is a "forum" geddit?

Not sure where you should go man, sorry.

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Old 02-06-2013, 05:54 AM   #4950
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you being a little disengenious.The S10 thread prolly discusses the gs almost as much as the s10
Isn't that sad? They come here often to do a little bashing, I assume to make themselves feel better about their choice of bikes!

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