The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest

[tagesk]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

The vehicle price to a dealer is a function of the cost of this warrenty, so a 5 year government mandated new vehicle warrenty adds to the whosale price of the vehicle. Nothing is free, you pay for it one way or the other.

The longer the warranty, the cost of maintenence becomes visible as the time of purchase. Which means that the maker is inclined to make the mainteinence as low as possible.
Or, if you like: The quality of two identical-looking vechicles will be visible in that the lower-quality vehicle will be more, not less, expensive to cover the cost of future repair.

This is why long guarantees must be enforced; makers of vehicles don't want them.
In general, what the makers don't want is good for us consumers.

[TaSK]

[NLS]

http://www.imtbike.com/noticias_detalle.asp?id=47

Interesting...

(btw where did you guys get info about Morocco?)

[EJ_92606]

Originally Posted by NLS

http://www.imtbike.com/noticias_detalle.asp?id=47

Interesting...

(btw where did you guys get info about Morocco?)

I heard from my dealer (California) who will be going. I think it's another press event in late February and then dealer event in early March at the same location in Morocco.

[NLS]

Really pushing this bike or really pushing this bike?

I think we are looking for the model that will break the record sales of the "original" 12GS.
Only reason not to, is world crisis.

[bobobob]

Originally Posted by Rauven

Gas costs around 14NOK/liter.

At 5.47 NOK to the dollar that comes to $10.23 a gallon.

[SocalRob]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

Just an FYI.

Warrenty is nothing more than an insurance policy wheather it is bought on the open market or self insured, as is the case on warrentes on a new vehicle. The vehicle price to a dealer is a function of the cost of this warrenty, so a 5 year government mandated new vehicle warrenty adds to the whosale price of the vehicle. Nothing is free, you pay for it one way or the other.

Dean,

In CA the smog warranty on our cars covers pretty much everything emissions related until I think at least 80,000 miles or 8 years, IIRC. If bikes come under the same rules, (and the state is making noise about it) what do you see as the impact on warranties? Emissions stuff means if your car fails a smog check, its pretty likely its a warranty item. If you think about it, that covers a lot of stuff. Pretty much the whole fuel injection system, catalytic converter, oxygen sensor, and more. In essence, the engine better not be polluting above limits for the 8 years/80K miles.

I think all that adds about $150 to the price of a car. Wonder what it will do to the price of a bike?

[cug]

Originally Posted by SocalRob

I think all that adds about $150 to the price of a car. Wonder what it will do to the price of a bike?

Is there any emission testing done on bikes? Or did I never own one long enough to find out?

[SocalRob]

Originally Posted by cug

Is there any emission testing done on bikes? Or did I never own one long enough to find out?

Not yet, but I would not be surprized to see it coming. I think 2013 is the last year we can alter exhaust pipes.

[cug]

Originally Posted by SocalRob

Not yet, but I would not be surprized to see it coming. I think 2013 is the last year we can alter exhaust pipes.

It's already in effect for all models build on or after Jan 1:

http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/new-...e-exhaust-law/

[PatrickM]

Originally Posted by Bazgab

Sounds like both were oilheads, the only colors for the new WC ones are Red, Blue, White, and a dark Grey.

The dark one looked like this:




And the red white and blue one looked like this



These are images from SJ BMW's (http://www.sjbmw.com/bikes.asp?s=new&bid=198) web site.

Is there a different 2013 R1200GS out there, with the exhaust pipe pointing forward, that weighs 525 lbs with a 720W alternator (things that drew my attention)?

Honestly, I haven't been paying attention to the new R1200GS as of late, and thought all 2013's were water cooled (to some degree).

[zzrwood]

Originally Posted by PatrickM

Is there a different 2013 R1200GS out there, with the exhaust pipe pointing forward, that weighs 525 lbs with a 720W alternator (things that drew my attention)?

Honestly, I haven't been paying attention to the new R1200GS as of late, and thought all 2013's were water cooled (to some degree).

Hi Patrick

Those pictures are of the previous model. The current R1200GS (water-cooled) is a completely new bike sharing no parts with the ones pictured.

Cheers

Robert from Oz

[PatrickM]

Originally Posted by zzrwood

Hi Patrick

Those pictures are of the previous model. The current R1200GS (water-cooled) is a completely new bike sharing no parts with the ones pictured.

Cheers

Robert from Oz

Ah, thanks for the clarification! I thought that "2013" was equal to "liquid cooled" ... so I do feel better now that I am not waiting for one of the new new ones!

[Rauven]

Time for the morning news update. (NLS, got you again, you need to be faster ;) )

[IB1]

Originally Posted by NLS

Really pushing this bike or really pushing this bike?

I think we are looking for the model that will break the record sales of the "original" 12GS.
Only reason not to, is world crisis.

In Europe there are emission tests for bikes, but only upon construction. The current norm is EU3 for bikes, and EU5 for cars. Diesel cars (in Belgium) need to pass an emissions test as from 4 years of age, petrol and bikes not (yes, there are diesel motorcycles).

[IB1]

Originally Posted by RichBMW

Congrats, that exactly what I've got coming, plus a load of Touratech stuff, and BMW accessories

I get the impression only few people took the spoke wheels.