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Old 02-15-2013, 05:23 AM   #5356
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How necessary are the electronic suspension and riding modes? Serious Q, I'm currently riding a 2006 vfr, which has abs only.

The electronic / riding modes are a couple of thousand onto the base price, the dynamic package is 2,800 on base price in Ireland.

For a bike which makes 120 hp, I think?, is traction control / rain mode a necessity? I've never owned a bike with any riding modes or electronic suspension adjustments and would genuinely like to know if inmates think they are worth paying for?

I'm going to buy either the bmw 1200 or ktm 1190 and am following both threads here. The Irish motorbike show is on March 1-3, and test rides should be available after that weekend. I know the ktm dealer is only importing the 1190 with the electronic package, I'm not sure if a base bmw will be available or for special order only.
Worth noting that the electronic suspension on the new GS is very different from that on the KTM.

On the GS this time around, it is "active" damping control - the damping reacts in real time to the road surface, as on high-end automobile suspensions. Reads axle acceleration every 5 milliseconds and reacts using solenoid valving that can go from full hard to full soft in 1/100th of a second.

The "modes" on the new GS affect the way a computer controls those solenoid valves. Much more adjustment to road feel available than from conventional dampers, so handy to have the control.

The KTM uses conventional dampers only. Its electronic option is roughly equivalent to the previous BMW ESA, except that the quality of the dampers is likely higher.

Point being, when you pay for electronic adjustment on the Beemer, you get a lot more than adjustment. On the KTM, you get just the adjustment.

I am not intending to say that the Beemer's system is better. KTM seems to have stuck with stuff we are used to that has less to go wrong when you are off the beaten track. Changing springs also will be no issue on the KTM, whereas there has been no word on whether you can do that on a "dynamic" BMW without upsetting the damping control and/or voiding the warranty. The KTM stuff will be rebuildable when it wears out; again no word on the BMW stuff, nor on replacement cost - and there are no aftermarket equivalents.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:30 AM   #5357
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Good analysis. Thing with KTM is that they "seem" to fight evolution (because they say they believe to good quality proven peripherals) but in the end they always move on (with a delay).

Many 950 owners spit the 990.
I am not saying they are right, because I don't believe it (my bikes are injection based for the last 12 years), I am just stating a fact.

BMW does that too sometimes (and everybody). They react to change "what they use is good and proven" (read: they haven't done the proper R&D and economic analysis on adding this) and in the end market push is enough for them to do it anyway.

I am 100% sure the "next" 1190 KTM WILL have the current GS (and MS12) suspension. By then probably their "version 2" also.

Happens all the time.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:37 AM   #5358
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In Belgium it's allowed for any worker using a motorbike to commute.
And for the part you use it 'professionally' you can deduct if from your taxes. Mine is used for 90% professioal use. I work in a congested area, so I even use it for appointments, even though I can use a car from the office.

And the tax deduction isn't limited to the bike, it concerns all motoring related costs.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:47 AM   #5359
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How necessary are the electronic suspension and riding modes? Serious Q, I'm currently riding a 2006 vfr, which has abs only.

The electronic / riding modes are a couple of thousand onto the base price, the dynamic package is 2,800 on base price in Ireland.

For a bike which makes 120 hp, I think?, is traction control / rain mode a necessity? I've never owned a bike with any riding modes or electronic suspension adjustments and would genuinely like to know if inmates think they are worth paying for?

I'm going to buy either the bmw 1200 or ktm 1190 and am following both threads here. The Irish motorbike show is on March 1-3, and test rides should be available after that weekend. I know the ktm dealer is only importing the 1190 with the electronic package, I'm not sure if a base bmw will be available or for special order only.
The electronics are for people like me. I don't fettle with manual settings, and it adds some easy flexibility. It also allows me to use it in more situations without needing the extra effort. For more experienced drivers it might be useless, but for me it makes for a more relaxing drive.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:52 AM   #5360
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The electronics are for people like me. I don't fettle with manual settings, and it adds some easy flexibility. It also allows me to use it in more situations without needing the extra effort. For more experienced drivers it might be useless, but for me it makes for a more relaxing drive.
Let's not confuse safety electronics with "goodies".
Goodies indeed are for people like you (and me).
Safety electronics, I am all in.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:06 AM   #5361
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Let's not confuse safety electronics with "goodies".
Goodies indeed are for people like you (and me).
Safety electronics, I am all in.
Safety and comfort, both for safety. Specially when I ride in the winter and have to leave for work (160km) at 5 am in freezing temperatures.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:14 AM   #5362
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Safety and comfort, both for safety. Specially when I ride in the winter and have to leave for work (160km) at 5 am in freezing temperatures.
This I can accept, not the other way round (safety and comfort, both for comfort).
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:29 AM   #5363
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And for the part you use it 'professionally' you can deduct if from your taxes. Mine is used for 90% professioal use. I work in a congested area, so I even use it for appointments, even though I can use a car from the office.

And the tax deduction isn't limited to the bike, it concerns all motoring related costs.
My bike saves me 2 hours a day.
That's awesome!

I saw a man on a GSA in Rome last year--he had a metal top box and one side pannier. I don't think his bike could fit through traffic and some of those narrow, Roman streets with both panniers on. I loved seeing that bike strolling the cobblestone streets.

I can only imagine what your GS will look like in / around le Grand Place. Please send pics!

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This I can accept, not the other way round (safety and comfort, both for comfort).
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:05 PM   #5364
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Specially when I ride in the winter and have to leave for work (160km) at 5 am in freezing temperatures.
I use my HP2E everyday too but only for a few km and I reach Bxl by train

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Old 02-15-2013, 12:12 PM   #5365
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You know that you can quote several posts at once? Just click on the little quotation marks in the lower right hand corner of all the posts you want to quote, then click the "quote" button once and they'll all be added to one post.
Hey dude, that's very cool. I never noticed that before. Partially because from what I found out trying to see that small little icon, you only see if you are currently logged in. If not then you only see the "Quote" link. Generally, when I click on the "Quote" link, it prompts me to login first before giving me the window to reply. This way I never saw that little icon next to Quote Link.

For multiple quote I would have to reach out to my desktop computer, copy and paste into a notepad, when done, I'd copy all contents in notepad then onto the reply section. Very rudimentary I'd say.

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Old 02-15-2013, 12:21 PM   #5366
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Hey dude, that's very cool. I never noticed that before. Partially because from what I found out trying to see that small little icon, you only see if you are currently logged in. If not then you only see the "Quote" link. Generally, when I click on the "Quote" link, it prompts me to login first before giving me the window to reply. This way I never saw that little icon next to Quote Link.

For multiple quote I would have to reach out to my desktop computer, copy and paste into a notepad, when done, I'd copy all contents in notepad then onto the reply section. Very rudimentary I'd say.

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Old 02-15-2013, 01:12 PM   #5367
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Hey dude, that's very cool. I never noticed that before.
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Now, back on topic. Who in Utah or Vegas will be taking delivery of this new GS? I want a test ride. . . all day.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:05 PM   #5368
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