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Old 03-03-2013, 03:32 PM   #5821
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I have nothing against ESA, my bike is ordered with it :) I think it might be usefull, definately fun but not really a must have. I've driven all my life without dynamic suspension and I somehow survived. Sometimes when You listen to salespeople it's like listening to an infomercial. After a while You start to wonder how the hell did You survive all your life without that fancy-shmancy made in china egg opening and separating device

When I was ordering the configuration for my bike I decided I don't need tire pressure sensors. And I was told a chilling story how one of the customers' life was saved by it, that he was driving for quite a while on a flat tire, and if it wasn't for the sensors he would have died on the first turn... And it made me go a bit 'wtf' inside. How the hell can you drive on a flat tire and not notice that, few psi less and any normal rider feels the floating ;) But a sales pitch is a sales pitch
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:33 PM   #5822
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:57 PM   #5823
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"Adventure" is soooo wrong name for the fat model - but that is another topic.
A friend of mine who took an '08 GSA to Sakhalin Island and did some hard-core offroad trecking including multiple river crossings rode a standard '11 R12GS the other day and said the Sakhalin trip would have been much easier on that bike. But the GSA does look a lot more imposing at Starbucks.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:13 PM   #5824
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A friend of mine who took an '08 GSA to Sakhalin Island and did some hard-core offroad trecking including multiple river crossings rode a standard '11 R12GS the other day and said the Sakhalin trip would have been much easier on that bike. But the GSA does look a lot more imposing at Starbucks.
Ha! GS is for European's but not for us North American's, we want things to be big. Cinquecento for Italians, F150 for the rest of us
To be serious, I modified my GS so a couple years later it turned into a GSA (but the tank), add all that stainless steel stuff individually cost a lot more money.
Crashbars, seat, wind protection, lower wider pegs, shifter, brake pedal, suspension, fog lights...

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Old 03-04-2013, 12:10 AM   #5825
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Street bike?
Yes. To me the GS is the best (and only) suitable motorcycle.
They dont understand that even the Adv. is to small/low for very long inseams....
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:09 AM   #5826
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I have nothing against ESA, my bike is ordered with it :) I think it might be usefull, definately fun but not really a must have. I've driven all my life without dynamic suspension and I somehow survived. Sometimes when You listen to salespeople it's like listening to an infomercial. After a while You start to wonder how the hell did You survive all your life without that fancy-shmancy made in china egg opening and separating device

When I was ordering the configuration for my bike I decided I don't need tire pressure sensors. And I was told a chilling story how one of the customers' life was saved by it, that he was driving for quite a while on a flat tire, and if it wasn't for the sensors he would have died on the first turn... And it made me go a bit 'wtf' inside. How the hell can you drive on a flat tire and not notice that, few psi less and any normal rider feels the floating ;) But a sales pitch is a sales pitch
Also orderer mine with ESA and I think most will do so. Only few bikes will be sold without options. They are nice and it is pricey anyways.

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Old 03-04-2013, 02:16 AM   #5827
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You know why the hand-guards are there right?
Maybe you guys actually want a pure street bike?
You haven't seen the streets round here?
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:23 AM   #5828
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Perhaps I'll look to wrap some grey parts. Idk yet.
I'm thinking along the same lines
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:19 AM   #5829
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"Adventure" is soooo wrong name for the fat model - but that is another topic.

I am so over the term "adventure"...

Pretty much at the point that I'd pay extra just to not have the Adventure tag on my bikes.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:21 AM   #5830
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All 1200GS LC have been grounded until the connection between the upper stanchion (BMW part number 31 42 8 543 628) and the insert plug has been checked by using a special tool provided by BMW Motorrad.
Thanks for posting these comments. Does anyone have any more information about this issue? What is the insert plug they are referring to? There were previously some comments about the bracket for the brake cable...is this the same thing or perhaps something related to the head shake issue?
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:36 AM   #5831
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Thanks for posting these comments. Does anyone have any more information about this issue? What is the insert plug they are referring to? There were previously some comments about the bracket for the brake cable...is this the same thing or perhaps something related to the head shake issue?
apparantly on one (and that's just one) of the bikes with already several 1000's of kilometers, ridden by a working-member of BMW motorrad company, a bolt that holds the brake line in its place underneath the forkbridge came loose.
Nothing serious, but better safe than sorry, they are changing or securing this bolt, so it should stay in its place

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Old 03-04-2013, 11:04 AM   #5832
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Thanks for posting these comments. Does anyone have any more information about this issue? What is the insert plug they are referring to? There were previously some comments about the bracket for the brake cable...is this the same thing or perhaps something related to the head shake issue?
This is the items in question. See picture below. The bushing is pos. 2 + 3. The bushing is forced down into the pipe and in a few cases it has not had the right specified friction and has come loose. Special tool is needed to check that the bushing has a tight fit and correct friction.

[IMG] photo Skaeligrmbillede2013-03-04kl194952_zps6d9a6bd6.png[/IMG]

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Old 03-04-2013, 11:19 AM   #5833
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Thanks for posting these comments. Does anyone have any more information about this issue? What is the insert plug they are referring to? There were previously some comments about the bracket for the brake cable...is this the same thing or perhaps something related to the head shake issue?
The insert plug is a key that enables enduro pro mode. I heard this had got something to do with some warninglights that doesn't reset after using enduro pro mode.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:21 AM   #5834
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It is nice to see that something as simple as a new motorcycle can create so much interest and stir up so much emotion. As many of you, I am also waiting to get my new 1200GS LC.

Yesterday I went down to my local BMW Motorrad dealer to have a look at the demo bike and chat with the owner.

He is a former motocross rider that has been competing on an international level, so when it comes to off-road riding and standing on the pegs he knows what he is talking about. Last week he was in Morocco participating in the international BMW Motorrad dealer event. Here are his comments and first impressions:

All 1200GS LC have been grounded until the connection between the upper stanchion (BMW part number 31 42 8 543 628) and the insert plug has been checked by using a special tool provided by BMW Motorrad.

The coding plug (BMW part number 12 52 7 727 856) that enables the Enduro Pro mode and mode memory function will not be provided to customers until a software update has been installed. The software update will be available from BMW Motorrad medio April 2013. This means that the first wave of new bikes will not be able to use the Enduro Pro mode until medio April 2013. The reason for this software update should be that the warning lights for ABS and ASC does not turn on again after the ignition has been turned off in Enduro Pro mode. Basically, it is not a significant issue but just two missing warning lights.

According to the info from BMW Motorrad 80% of new 1200GS LC will be delivered with Michelin Anakee 3 and the other 20% with Metzeler Tourance Next tires. This is not a technical issue but just a matter of cost and supplier capacity.

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The weight distribution on the new 1200GS LC is more forward and low down compared to the former 1200GS, which makes handling much easier and especially when standing up on the pegs the handling and maneuverability have taken a big step forward. This combined with the new dynamic ESA and ride modes makes handling on- and off-road so much easier. Dynamic ESA is an absolute must on this bike and makes the significant difference between the new 1200GS LC and the former 1200GS. Changing between the different ride modes expands the usability of the bike.

The new engine is more powerful and provides more torque with a lot less vibration. It is not only the engine power that has been improved but also the engine breaking is better. A welcome improvement when engine breaking down steep descents especially when off-roading. Sound is a matter of taste but a flap in the exhaust can provide a big smile on some riders faces. Throttle response is without delay when accelerating but in Rain and Enduro mode there is a short delay before the engine break kicks in after you let go of the throttle. It takes a little time before you gets use to this but it is not an issue.

Slipper-clutch will make itself noticed by providing a little sound when you take the bike to the max. Engaging the clutch is very light and gear box is smooth. After you get a feel for the throttle and the shifter then up shifting is easy without using the clutch. The new wet clutch has introduced a phenomenon that has been known by K1200 and K1300 riders for years. A nice loud "clunk" when you engage first gear.

Ergonomics are great and any former GS rider will feel at home when mounting the new 1200GS LC. However, the introduction of the one-hand turn signal switch may take a few days to get use to. Activating the turn signal switch may result in activating the scroll wheel for the GPS and the GPS will start to zoom. This is also a matter of getting use to the new ergonomics.

Breaks are better than ever. Easy to apply the right pressure and a lot of stopping power.

He did a lot of off-road riding on the Metzeler Tourance Next and they performed very well. An other colleague tested the new Metzeler Karro 3 and they performed very well on tarmac compared to other knobby tires.

Well, that is the first impressions he got and please don't start to flame me with negative comments. This is just his words. I am getting my own new 1200GS LC in a week and then I will be happy to provide my own comments. Until then I will continue to plan all the riding I am going to do this summer on the new beast. The adventure begins in a weeks time.

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The insert plug is a key that enables enduro pro mode. I heard this had got something to do with some warninglights that doesn't reset after using enduro pro mode.
Incorrect, that is a separate issue. You are referring to the coding plug. It is explained in the quote above.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:28 AM   #5835
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YouTube video posted today. Regarding the new Metzeler Karoo 3 and the extract of this german and austrian talk is:

1) New Metzeler Karoo 3 will be available in range of sizes that will fit most street legal enduro bikes including the new 1200GS LC as well as the complete range of BMW enduro bikes, and enduro bikes from Honda, Yamaha etc.

2) Durability will as always depend on bike load, speed, riding stile etc. but they are build to last more than 10.000 km (= apron. 6.000 miles) whatever that means.

3) Availability. Some sizes can be ordered now and most sizes will be available in April.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eKQFnqHlKs

Well, they will be better then the former Karoo's because they were shit, durability wise on tarmac.

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