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Old 03-12-2013, 02:14 AM   #6346
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Please, do not tease us anymore and give some clues to the questions above.

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The lights and turn signal delays have to be done by the dealer, but you can display current and average consumption on the computer pro.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:17 AM   #6347
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The lights and turn signal delays have to be done by the dealer, but you can display current and average consumption on the computer pro.
Cool. Rich, what's with the shift light. Sounds like it could be annoying...is it an energy conservation thing, ie. illuminating at low RPM? Can it be turned off?
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:44 AM   #6348
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Cool. Rich, what's with the shift light. Sounds like it could be annoying...is it an energy conservation thing, ie. illuminating at low RPM? Can it be turned off?
My dealer informed me that it can be turned off.
I hope he was correct.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:55 AM   #6349
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Sorry if I stepped on some toes here. As a lot of other people I am also waiting to get my new 1200GS LC, so I can't help if I am a bit biased. The tracks ridden in the video are at the extreme end of the scale for heavy enduro bikes, and for most riders these tracks will not be relevant anyway.

Sorry for this statement: The new BMW 1200GS LC is the best allround enduro bike available today

Isn't it nice when people defend the choices they make, and let out a little enthusiasm for something as simple as a motorcycle.

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Sorry Max, and everybody else here but the best allround enduro bike available is the new KTM 1190 R. And its simple as that. Tyre size. A 21 inch and 18 inch front/rear setup is always superior for off road use. And the KTM uses this setup as on the previous 990. And I am not biased. I believe the GS is the best for allround use bar serious off roading. That's why the enduro monicker fits only the KTM. Personally I'd buy the new GS. I would use it only on fire trails and on every tarmac stretch. And that because its a complete bike and better looking than the new 1190. The Multi is too much for my likings.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:01 AM   #6350
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Cool. Rich, what's with the shift light. Sounds like it could be annoying...is it an energy conservation thing, ie. illuminating at low RPM? Can it be turned off?
Yep, it's to help get the best MPG, and can be turned off. It's handy to have while running the bike in I guess
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:12 AM   #6351
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Sorry Max, and everybody else here but the best allround enduro bike available is the new KTM 1190 R. And its simple as that. Tyre size. A 21 inch and 18 inch front/rear setup is always superior for off road use. And the KTM uses this setup as on the previous 990. And I am not biased. I believe the GS is the best for allround use bar serious off roading. That's why the enduro monicker fits only the KTM. Personally I'd buy the new GS. I would use it only on fire trails and on every tarmac stretch. And that because its a complete bike and better looking than the new 1190. The Multi is too much for my likings.
So did you see the two videos I linked above?
Make sure to check them out.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:12 AM   #6352
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Sorry Max, and everybody else here but the best allround enduro bike available is the new KTM 1190 R. And its simple as that. Tyre size. A 21 inch and 18 inch front/rear setup is always superior for off road use. And the KTM uses this setup as on the previous 990. And I am not biased. I believe the GS is the best for allround use bar serious off roading. That's why the enduro monicker fits only the KTM. Personally I'd buy the new GS. I would use it only on fire trails and on every tarmac stretch. And that because its a complete bike and better looking than the new 1190. The Multi is too much for my likings.
I do not share your opinion. The KTM 1190 R may be better than the GS offroad, but there are way better adventure bikes. If terrain is all you care about you are better of with a much lighter 600 cc bike.
In the class of heavy allroaders all is about compromise. Road, offroad, sport comfort, ... And on this field the GS is very good. For all different aspects there are many bikes that are better, but as a total package it is hard to beat. All depends upon personal preferences. And for many of us the GS is the bike tha bests answers our global image of what we want in a bike.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:12 AM   #6353
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Yep, it's to help get the best MPG, and can be turned off. It's handy to have while running the bike in I guess
It has a shift light? Wow... cool.
Something from an S1000RR.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:50 AM   #6354
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Sorry folks - just reading the arguments and opinions about what does or does not make an enduro bike...

I'll let the video tell the story.

Miles Davis (not black, and AFAIK does not play any musical instrument) is a bit of a legend down this part of the world.



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Old 03-12-2013, 03:55 AM   #6355
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Sorry Max, and everybody else here but the best allround enduro bike available is the new KTM 1190 R. And its simple as that. Tyre size. A 21 inch and 18 inch front/rear setup is always superior for off road use.
I agree. If I had to buy an Adv bike, the KTM AdvR seems better. All heavy bikes can run on roads (KTMAdvR included) but not all of them can go off road easily.
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:00 AM   #6356
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Sorry folks - just reading the arguments and opinions about what does or does not make an enduro bike...
This is not an enduro road...

I consider an enduro road is a road where no cars or trucks can drive on...
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:06 AM   #6357
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This is not an enduro road...

I consider an enduro road is a road where no cars or trucks can drive on...
Hope you like the two videos I linked above then (top of page 421).

BTW no cars agreed, but some trucks (where they fit) can do some awsome stuff off-road.
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:14 AM   #6358
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thanks for the videos
I tried once to go in forest with the HP2E, too heavy and the cylinders always in the bad way...
Nor the GS nor the HP2E are 'enduro' bikes.
The KTM is heavy too but thinner and 21" also.
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:17 AM   #6359
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This is not an enduro road...

I consider an enduro road is a road where no cars or trucks can drive on...
Ah here we go again...

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Old 03-12-2013, 04:32 AM   #6360
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thanks for the videos
I tried once to go in forest with the HP2E, too heavy and the cylinders always in the bad way...
Nor the GS nor the HP2E are 'enduro' bikes.
The KTM is heavy too but thinner and 21" also.
True. Things break on it too though (I know I've seen it happen - I am not talking about things that break by themselves either... seen that happen too).

BTW a good friend of mine with a KTM 950 (that indeed takes the beast off-road) has an off-road partner (not me) that has a GSA. They go in every trail together AND he has told me (himself the KTM owner) that it has happened at least once that he dropped his 950 where the GSA passed. Also the GS(A) is WAY more comfortable on tarmac (again his words).


To me GS and KTM Adventures are the only "dual" bikes that still successfully keep the off-road part "close at heart". All others fall behind (and let's not open again the discussion that it's the rider not the bike and all bikes can do more things than their rider and blah blah).

Sales prove which of the two has followed the best recipe for most of us.
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