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Old 03-25-2013, 01:57 PM   #7366
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Hmmm. That could mean that because you have 2/3 the # of posts compared to me you are 30% less likely to be correct! I like that logic!
No I didn't correlate one to the other. I just made an observation.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:00 PM   #7367
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No I didn't correlate one to the other. I just made an observation.
Ah, come on, it's obvious ...
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:00 PM   #7368
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Which you just so happen to own. BMW have obviously COMPLETELY wasted their time and money bringing out this new bike in your opinion We're all different, and it would be a boring world if we all liked the same things, but REALLY? Each to their own I guess.
I said it above (inverting cug's comment): "Regarding non-owners: they can't drop $20k on this bike OR they dropped a similar amount to something else - that alone makes the experience much worse ..."
(a comment *I* don't fit in, because I find the bike great even though I cannot currently -possibly ever with the crisis- afford it)

One reminder more (also posted before in this very thread): When 2004 1200GS came out, a bunch of 1150GS owners reacted exactly (but EXACTLY) the same, with bit different arguments though... but still a generic "I don't like this, I don't like that" ("but but... that specific X thing is obviously better", "no it is not"). I remember the same before that too... you may have guessed it, when R1150GS came out from R1100GS owners. I am sure it happened before that but I was too young to remember (was riding different brand bikes also).

Anyway, good we all have choice, ain't it?
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:01 PM   #7369
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Ah, come on, it's obvious ...
No, honestly I didn't mean to explain it in a specific way.
After all YOU don't fit in my observation you said it yourself.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:02 PM   #7370
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Anyway, good we all have choice, ain't it?
It keeps the market competitive, which is always a good thing. Seems that Cug prefers the Triumph Tiger at the moment, nothin wrong with that!
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:06 PM   #7371
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I like that you gave an honest review, Cug, and didn't feed into the fan boy mania that this thread pretty much is about.
Thanks. I did my best to express just the impressions I had. It was not meant as a "review" or absolute truths or anything. These were my personal impressions on the bike I was soooooooo waiting for. Maybe it really was me being away for a year from the standard GS handling that I wasn't so happy with it. Had I ridden the new GS right after my 2010, I might have seen a lot of things differently (drive line, transmission, vague front, ...) and could have concentrated on the things that really didn't feel right and find out WHY they didn't feel right.

I really hope I can get a DESA GS for a few hours some time later this year and I'll make sure to post that here, too. Positive or negative doesn't matter. It could be a "yeah, now that I had more time on it, I bought one" or "I still didn't like it as much as I expected". I honestly don't know. It could totally go either way.

One thing I really know about the GS: it's an acquired taste. You have to ride for a while to get used to its unique handling and behavior. Just coming from a technically completely different bike isn't doing it justice because there is too much of the "compared to what I'm used to" feeling.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:31 PM   #7372
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Even if one goes around a corner a bit quicker I love how BMW executes the details.


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Old 03-25-2013, 02:39 PM   #7373
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Agreed. The Tiger instruments aren't up to par with the GS. They are even missing a switch on the handlebar to change between the various info settings. Annoys me a lot when on long, boring highway stretches ...
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:42 PM   #7374
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Does anyone know if the navigation mount plate can be easily unplugged and removed? Can anyone confirm that it blocks the view of the top of the tach?
Confirmed that the mount with GPS on, does block partial view of the tach, mostly from the top. This was confirmed by my visual inspection and Stephan from One World One GS when I asked him. He said, he hardly looked down, but yes it would block, above 3,000 RPMS. When standing and albeit standing forward, you don't even look down only concentrating what's ahead of you.

Here's the pic that TallGuy posted, for illustration, the shadow of the GPS onto the tach, is basically what gets blocked IMHO.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:50 PM   #7375
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Agreed. The Tiger instruments aren't up to par with the GS. They are even missing a switch on the handlebar to change between the various info settings. Annoys me a lot when on long, boring highway stretches ...
I think even the Super Ténéré could be the "better motorcycle" for a lot of riders, only it's not for me.
The only thing real unique GS is the boxer engine and surprisingly Triumph didn't copy that concept yet
Who will? Some yet unknown Chinese company? Probably.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:57 PM   #7376
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Who will? Some yet unknown Chinese company? Probably.
Are you asking for an Ural GS?
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:04 PM   #7377
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Are you asking for an Ural GS?
Oh, forgot about that one, that's basically a BMW so doesn't count.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:05 PM   #7378
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Triumph vs BMW.





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Old 03-25-2013, 03:24 PM   #7379
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:45 PM   #7380
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I ride an '09 R1200GS now (37,000 -- all me) and love it.

Rode a demo LC R1200GS bike today. Basic suspension version. Red color.

In person, I thought the bike looked better than in the pictures I've seen. Bike looks pretty clean and well proportioned. It looks somehow a bit smaller than my '09.

On the bike, the first thing I noticed was the narrower feel. Firing up the motor -- I did not much care for the sound -- sounds nothing like my '09 (well, naturally enough as my '09 has remus straight through headers, no cat and an akra can with baffle out). The LC motor sounds like there is a lot going on in there with all the whirring, spinning and even occasional whisting to be heard. On idle, the windscreen shakes (like a harley?).

Under way, the bike feels amazingly light (even though we all know that it is a bit heavier than the previous bike). The CG is indeed low and the balance of the bike is wonderful.

Low speed parking lot manouevers are easy. No drama. On the highway, the bike is pretty smooth and well planted. Windscreen is alright but then again I ususally ride visor down at speed anyway.

Tranmission was fine -- no unusual noises, bumps or grinds. I had no trouble finding neutral.

All in all, the loveable tractor feel of the previous R1200GS is largely gone. The new motor spins up quickly and accellerating with spirit in 2nd gear pushed me backwards on the bike and that was a surprise. Throttle seemed fine to me and clutch was very good (on the demo bike it began engaging early in the lever movement and was easy to handle -- not abrupt unless you want it to be).

Overall -- I liked it.
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