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Old 10-28-2011, 02:39 PM   #766
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The same power output and power curve. I left out the cylinder bore and stroke as part of what affects power output.

Your comment about the counter balancer is interesting. Ever since I first rode a 1200, I've felt that it has much more of a high frequency vibration than the 1150. I theorize that a counter balancer that is half the mass of the crank assembly driven at twice crank speed is only going to be effective in a specific rpm range.

I haven't ridden an F800 so I can't opine on it. The balancing method seems like it should be more effective. It isn't driven by a chain that can stretch and cause the balancer to go out of synch with the crank and become a vibration amplifier.
I think the balancer rod on the F800 engines is pretty special but I've experienced much worse higher rpm vibrations compared the 1200GS, can't comment on the 1150. To me the low center of gravity and the unique engine (flat cylinders) make it an interesting engine or unique engine design, that's why I like it I guess.


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Old 10-28-2011, 03:08 PM   #767
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I think the balancer rod on the F800 engines is pretty special but I've experienced much worse higher rpm vibrations compared the 1200GS, can't comment on the 1150. To me the low center of gravity and the unique engine (flat cylinders) make it an interesting engine or unique engine design, that's why I like it I guess.
The Ducati Supermono used a similar balance system as the F800.
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Old 10-28-2011, 10:58 PM   #768
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I find the Triumph spec illustration to be spectacularly ugly, surpassing even the S10. After the success of the original Daytona 675, Triumph seems to have taken an overly complicated and inelegant design tack. Gag, puke.

Apologies for going OT.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:07 PM   #769
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December Cycle World article & Pic

Just got the Cycle World in the mail and they have a pretty clear picture of the 2013 Wet Head. It clearly shows the injectors on top of the cylinder at and the exhaust at the bottom. The also show the telelever with radial brakes. It is interesting how they camouflage the test mule by making it look like a rat bike.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:19 PM   #770
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Just got the Cycle World in the mail and they have a pretty clear picture of the 2013 Wet Head. It clearly shows the injectors on top of the cylinder at and the exhaust at the bottom. The also show the telelever with radial brakes. It is interesting how they camouflage the test mule by making it look like a rat bike.
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:18 AM   #771
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It is the same pic that has been posted on here many times. Nothing new.
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:43 AM   #772
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Flat opposed design must have it's advantages.

They are THE engine used in General Aviation.
If it isn't an auto engine conversion or a turbine or an old radial it's an opposed platform.
From a piper cub to big twin.
The VW beetle engine also
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:12 AM   #773
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Flat opposed design must have it's advantages.

They are THE engine used in General Aviation.
If it isn't an auto engine conversion or a turbine or an old radial it's an opposed platform.
From a piper cub to big twin.
The VW beetle engine also
No denying that but what suits an aeroplane does not suit a motorcycle! Hang the pots out in the breeze, by all means, but only if the re are cooling advantages. Water cooling gives a much broader scope for engine layout - perhaps a layout that allows for lower C of G, reduces drag etc.

Personally, I like the simplicity of air-cooled bikes but, like with carburettors, they have to make them over-complicated these days just to get around the regulations.

The very valid point regarding access to valves should be less of an issue with longer service intervals possible these days. Triumph are quoting 10,000 miles for the Tiger 1200 and that might even be a 'minor', with valve inspections at 20K. It's the way things are going and part of the benefit, dare I say, that comes with a more modern engine design.

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Old 11-01-2011, 08:31 AM   #774
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Your right on the valves.
I read on how to do the them on an F800ST. UGH!!!!!!!
Practically disassemble of 1/5 of the engine then try to get shims in a tight spot.
My C50 isn't as easy either w/ the frame almost on top of the cylinder heads leave not much room for a ham fisted sized mechanic' hand.
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On more of a philosophical notion: Will the advent of the Wetheads herald in a new group of luddites that draw a line in the sand as to where progress should have stopped and not reared its ugly head. Will we have a new tent at the MOA for Oilheads only?
Slightly More Simple by Choice?
Seeing this opportunity, will the Airheads embrace the Oilheads and unite the clans against the menacing two wheeled abominations flowing ethylene glycol through their veins? Only time will tell.
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:46 AM   #776
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:54 AM   #777
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On more of a philosophical notion: Will the advent of the Wetheads herald in a new group of luddites that draw a line in the sand as to where progress should have stopped and not reared its ugly head. Will we have a new tent at the MOA for Oilheads only?
Slightly More Simple by Choice?
Seeing this opportunity, will the Airheads embrace the Oilheads and unite the clans against the menacing two wheeled abominations flowing ethylene glycol through their veins? Only time will tell.
Weak eyes are fondest of glittering objects.
We can only hope. Would create more room for the wethead tent.........
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:16 PM   #778
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DasMatti?

This is going nowhere...

DasMatti, are you still out there ?
Is there anything else new you can tell us about the GS H2O ?
In addition to the Japanese-style left-right turn switches, is there anything new on the handle? Electric screen? Plug-in Nav K16-style?

Just give us something to chew on for the next few weeks... anything will do....
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Old 11-01-2011, 04:52 PM   #779
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This is going nowhere...

DasMatti, are you still out there ?
Is there anything else new you can tell us about the GS H2O ?
In addition to the Japanese-style left-right turn switches, is there anything new on the handle? Electric screen? Plug-in Nav K16-style?

Just give us something to chew on for the next few weeks... anything will do....
I can't resist to repeat a reply given to me on the same question earlier on in this thread:

" PROBABLY FIRED"
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:10 PM   #780
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So you are saying that you have advance notice that Moto Guzzis will remain air/oil cooled for 2013?
If I were them, I'd claim I was offset by scooter sales. Much how Porsches are offset by tiny diesel VW's.
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