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Old 05-06-2013, 09:40 AM   #8791
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You are probably right, but then on the other hand, when not travelling, panniers are not needed and can be left home. Without Varios, my GS looks nice and light, I hate the ugly mounting brackets that normally comes with all others...

I am suffering less with louzy filling ratio of Various, than riding an ugly bike.
If someone made some nice lightweight ally panniers that fitted the Varios mounting points and didnt require an extra frame, they would be on to a winner.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:01 AM   #8792
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Hopefully these questions have not been asked and answered before, but if so I have not found them.

I had to unexpectedly scramble around for a new bike when my 2010 GSA got totaled. A new GSW is being shipped from Max BMW and in my reading up on everything in the owners manual I noticed it says that the Auxiliary Headlights are on only with the low beams. I would like to install the OEM auxiliary lighting harness and switch as I did on my wife's 2012 R1200GS, but if the aux lights are only powered when the low beams are on then they would be useless to me. We run Clearwater lights set up to go to full bright when you switch to high beams or sound the horn. Can anyone who has the auxiliary lights on a GSW confirm or refute this?

Edit: I just found that Max BMW has put up the GSW fiche since I last checked so I have now answered my own question about the oil filter. Part #11 42 7 721 779 Also I can not find a parts fiche or anything listing the part number for the GSW oil filter. If it is the same as the R1200GS camheads then I have plenty, but if it is a different filter then I need to scrounge some up before the bike arrives. Can someone who has a GSW post the part number or verify compatibility with Camhead filters?

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Old 05-06-2013, 10:30 AM   #8793
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There is an own switch for aux lights...when they are on, they stay on regardless if you are on low or high beams...
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:17 AM   #8794
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Good idea, but at a backwoods campsite do you just whip out your vacuum, plug it in, and suck down your parcels?

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You can use a gas station car cleaning vac... Just kidding !

Usually, you can just roll the vacuum bag and get the air out. I don't know if all vacuum bags work this way; mine does.

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Old 05-06-2013, 11:39 AM   #8795
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Not my experience. The route does resume after stops. Used it many times on a ~2500 mile road trip last week.
Do you have BMW IV on 2013 GS?
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:44 AM   #8796
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There is an own switch for aux lights...when they are on, they stay on regardless if you are on low or high beams...
Hi Kaj;

I wonder where you are from. Depending on to which country your bike was manufactured to, there may be an aditional light switch located on the left side of the hazard light switch. Also, depending on market, you may have an aditinal programable function called DLIGHT available with the LED headlights. (see section 4 of the owner's manual )

What this function does is to allow that the daylight turns itself on automatically when it is clear and switches itself to low power and turns low beans on when in a darker place like a tunnel or a garage. When and if it becomes clear again the process is reverted to full power daylight and low beams off.

If this programing is activated, when you press the light switch mentioned it simply overrides the auto function and turns the low beam on at once.

Hope this helps...

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Old 05-06-2013, 11:51 AM   #8797
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Do you have BMW IV on 2013 GS?
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:18 PM   #8798
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Yup
Seems like bad cabling or something.

(or maybe a setting somewhere?)

I would definitely bother the dealer.
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:19 PM   #8799
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If someone made some nice lightweight ally panniers that fitted the Varios mounting points and didnt require an extra frame, they would be on to a winner.
They do (well, almost!)

SW Motech make pannier (bag) racks that are ugly (like you hate) but that are quickly detached (QD) with a couple of turns of a coin. What is left are a couple of very short tabs that are virtually invisible to the untrained eye. They are well made and well designed.

These QD racks are called "Quick-Lock Evo Side-carriers." You need a pair of these, and then the kit that fits them specifically to the new LC GS. You also need to work out which panniers you want to attach to the racks, and buy a "Quick-Lock Evo Side Carrier Adapter Kit" for the model of panniers you will be using. SW Motech has several different kinds of adapter kit, for various panner makes including: Hepco & Becker (incl. aluminium), Givi, Shad, Krauser and Trax (also aluminium). The adapter kit is easy to fit to the outside of the Side Carriers, and consists of a set of custom bobbins to fit the panniers you specify.

If you do the above and buy a pair of Trax or Hepco & Becker aluminium panniers, you will have what you want: a pair of great aluminium panniers and a set strong mounting racks that disappear when you finish your journey.

SW Motech for the new GS are available at: http://shop.sw-motech.com/en/by+moto...2013/index.htm
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:34 PM   #8800
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I didn't hear back from anyone about the high frequency vibration I experienced on my test of a new LC GS.

I would be very grateful if any owners could tell me if you have found this on your bike, and if it is minor or major, and if it is a problem or not.

The vibration on the GS I rode occurred between about 5.5 thousand and 6.5 thousand RPM (from memory!) and was strong enough to make me wonder if it would be a problem on a long ride on twisty roads. As it occurred quite far up the rev range, and right at a point of high torque, it was quite easy to miss due to the fantastic acceleration I was also experiencing from the engine at the time, and if ridden through to higher RPMs, probably not a problem. However, if I was riding a twisty road at speed, I might want to stick at these engine speeds for a while, hence my question as I think (on this bike) that would become quite uncomfortable, fairly quickly.

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Old 05-06-2013, 04:47 PM   #8801
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The vibration on the GS I rode occurred between about 5.5 thousand and 6.5 thousand RPM (from memory!) and was strong enough to make me wonder if it would be a problem on a long ride on twisty roads. As it occurred quite far up the rev range, and right at a point of high torque, it was quite easy to miss due to the fantastic acceleration I was also experiencing from the engine at the time, and if ridden through to higher RPMs, probably not a problem. However, if I was riding a twisty road at speed, I might want to stick at these engine speeds for a while, hence my question as I think (on this bike) that would become quite uncomfortable, fairly quickly.

Thanks.
I have noticed a bit more "buzz" between 80 and 85 MPH in 6th gear. Smooth-smooth at 70...buzz at 80. Didn't notice the RPM. Nothing objectionable tho. I have not ridden a bike more comfortable.
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Old 05-06-2013, 05:31 PM   #8802
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I have noticed a bit more "buzz" between 80 and 85 MPH in 6th gear. Smooth-smooth at 70...buzz at 80. Didn't notice the RPM. Nothing objectionable tho. I have not ridden a bike more comfortable.
Thanks for the response, Fubar.

It did occur to me that on the freeway it wouldn't matter, as unless I was overtaking something, I'd just shift up a gear, drop the revs, and the vibes would go. However, I sometimes ride long distances at speed on minor roads, (i.e. long sport rides) and this is what I'm wondering about, as at these times I'd probably be in fourth or fifth gear, and approaching or going beyond the revs the GS's engine turns at 85 mph in sixth.

I realize that all bikes are going to vibrate more at peak torque, but this was a much more noticeable vibration than I have experienced on other bikes when riding in a similar way.

I am pretty certain that around town, and on the freeway, the GS would be very comfortable, as you say; I'm just thinking about sport-riding for extended periods, and whether this could be a problem, or if it was just the bike I was riding.

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Old 05-06-2013, 06:45 PM   #8803
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:06 PM   #8804
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Hopefully these questions have not been asked and answered before, but if so I have not found them.

I had to unexpectedly scramble around for a new bike when my 2010 GSA got totaled. A new GSW is being shipped from Max BMW and in my reading up on everything in the owners manual I noticed it says that the Auxiliary Headlights are on only with the low beams. I would like to install the OEM auxiliary lighting harness and switch as I did on my wife's 2012 R1200GS, but if the aux lights are only powered when the low beams are on then they would be useless to me. We run Clearwater lights set up to go to full bright when you switch to high beams or sound the horn. Can anyone who has the auxiliary lights on a GSW confirm or refute this?

Edit: I just found that Max BMW has put up the GSW fiche since I last checked so I have now answered my own question about the oil filter. Part #11 42 7 721 779 Also I can not find a parts fiche or anything listing the part number for the GSW oil filter. If it is the same as the R1200GS camheads then I have plenty, but if it is a different filter then I need to scrounge some up before the bike arrives. Can someone who has a GSW post the part number or verify compatibility with Camhead filters?
I will try to answer the first part of your question as per my experience.

I purchased the original LED mounting support, switch and wiring harness, After connecting it all I had it programed at the BMW shop ( The bike comes with auxiliary lighting system disabled and it has to be connected to the shop's BMW computer to enable it )

I use ADV Monster LED 60 lights ( great lights by the way ) which are connected by simple 2 wire ( positive and negative ).

I have spent some 10 hours trying to make it work but couldn't find a way ! I tried BMW's original LEDs and they worked just fine.

The reason for this is that BMW's LED are connected through a 4 wire system and there is no way I could figure out how to connect it to a 2 wire system ! I've tried all wiring combinations and could not get 2 wires to provide the necessary 12 volts. If you look at the plugs that are to be connected to the lights you will notice that there are 4 terminals.

If you look at the original BMW switch you will se that it is not a simple switch as it is connected through 6 wires !

The only way I got it to work was through a relay connected to the battery with the relay's coli power provided
through a switched ( key on only )wire. and the negative's coil through an on/off switch.

I believe that the Clearwater lights are 2 wire connected and, therefore, you will have the same problems that I did.

Furthermore, I confirm that the original wiring only powers the auxiliary lights if either low or high beams are on.

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Old 05-06-2013, 07:40 PM   #8805
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Those open up a whole bunch of cool options for the new bike.

Do the racks fit tight enough that they don't and won't rattle?
(I ask because my Givi top box has a slight rattle (bag mounts not rack rattle) and the 1/2 turn mounts for the Harley bags have a nice piece of rubber that takes up the slack.)
I had that rattle on my Givi top box when mounted to my VFR800 via an SW Motech rack, and tracked it down to the mating surface on the bag being worn, and and not fitting as tightly as when new.
Fixed it by adding some rubber straps to the rack.

One data point is that the SW Motech system uses round bobbins and not the slide fitting of the Givi rack, which has a bigger surface are to reduce wear.

To be fair, the bag was used on a GS and Kaw Concours with a Givi rack prior to being fitted to the VFR.
On the VFR it saw enough bad roads that the SWM rack system had several failures (carrier TwistLok pins, bent carrier, fractured Alurack) before the whole thing broke off where the rack was connected to the bike.
I suspect the last was as partly a result of mixing Gen 1 and Gen 2 parts supplied by the distributor to replace the original TwistLok and Alurack under warranty, but mostly a combination of poor design of the arms and metal fatigue, as the box was empty at the time.

However the side racks are much better engineered, although I'd watch the bobbins and bag wear. The TwistLoks are much more robust than on the toprack.

And I don't think I'd use this system for RTW, mostly because of my perception of bobbin / bag wear and strength.

Hard bags look nice, are more convenient and give a bit more security, but so far I've found quality soft bags to be more crash resistant and wear better on really bad roads, and just as waterproof.
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