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Old 12-02-2013, 10:16 AM   #11131
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People don't praise things that work, as the vultures feed off negativity on forums. Tens of thousands of the new GS have now been sold worldwide, so there should be thousands with zero problems.
And we have one of those with zero problems. As a matter of fact, none of the family's GS bikes have had any problems. Can't say the same for some other brands.
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:11 PM   #11132
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But, but, but that would just bring out all the ones who want to complain in every thread, especially those that never owned a BMW!

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Or those that don't own a LC GS but do own an older GS, that think they are experts on all things LC GS
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:31 PM   #11133
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Or those that don't own a LC GS but do own an older GS, that think they are experts on all things LC GS


Never claimed to be an expert, but I do have more mechanical knowledge of them than most. You will note that I never comment on how the bike rides and handles, only on the parts I know. That is different from many trolls on the GS forum!

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Old 12-02-2013, 05:04 PM   #11134
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It seems like it would not be an impossibility for BMW to allow input of the riders "ready to ride weight" and then utilize the idiot icons ... if not directly by the rider (more convenient) at least by the dealer / computer connection.

Just found this quote for the new KTM 1190 with electronic suspension.

"Setting a baseline preload is important – 100 pounds of importance between a rider weighing 175 and one weighing 275. To configure a baseline preload setting an Adventure owner must have his KTM dealer adjust the baseline spring preload via their diagnostic tool."

Not a bad idea at all. BMW could easily do this also.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:30 PM   #11135
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If that existed, and the ESA components had enough range to still give the full range of adjustment, that would be great. But without a change in hardware , how is that even possible? One would think the components are optimized for a particular weight rider. Adding 100 pounds to the softest "rider only" setting seems like a lot.

Don't have any answers.Just asking. As a 250 pounder who will be looking at a new big bike soon enough, I am concerned about ESA. But the KTM approach is interesting to say the least.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:56 PM   #11136
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Don't have any answers.Just asking. As a 250 pounder who will be looking at a new big bike soon enough, I am concerned about ESA. But the KTM approach is interesting to say the least.
As a 240 lb pounder WITH ESA, I love it. I have 31"-32" inseam and the low seat. Front of seat is on High, rear of seat is on Low.
I can flat foot the bike on "1 helmet" setting.
on "2 helmet" setting, without a rider my heals are now off the ground. I have not tried the highest setting yet.
I have no problems with these settings. Sure if I was to use this bike as a track bike I might think about different springs, but I don't ride that way.
If I want a tall bike, I jump on my KTM.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:22 PM   #11137
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Never claimed to be an expert, but I do have more mechanical knowledge of them than most. You will note that I never comment on how the bike rides and handles, only on the parts I know. That is different from many trolls on the GS forum!

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Ooo that touched a nerve, Jim I did not know which GS you had it was aimed at another expert that owns an older GS who thinks he knows every thing about the LC GS
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:23 PM   #11138
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I ride a lot of dirt on The Big Ugly. And my street riding is "spirited". I tax the suspension pretty hard.

I only have about 15 miles on ESA and it was "fine" on the street. Need to give it a thorough thrash.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:44 PM   #11139
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Ooo that touched a nerve, Jim I did not know which GS you had it was aimed at another expert that owns an older GS who thinks he knows every thing about the LC GS
Not really, hence the .

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Old 12-03-2013, 01:25 AM   #11140
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Just found this quote for the new KTM 1190 with electronic suspension.

"Setting a baseline preload is important 100 pounds of importance between a rider weighing 175 and one weighing 275. To configure a baseline preload setting an Adventure owner must have his KTM dealer adjust the baseline spring preload via their diagnostic tool."

Not a bad idea at all. BMW could easily do this also.
Ain't the new KTM have the same suspension system as GS?
(I know KTM normally uses their own WP, but they used Sachs semi-active as they are the only ones that make it?)
Correct me if I am wrong.

If that is the case, very interesting.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:27 AM   #11141
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Ooo that touched a nerve, Jim I did not know which GS you had it was aimed at another expert that owns an older GS who thinks he knows every thing about the LC GS
Yes I think we know who you mean.
I do not claim. I *do* know many things about new LC GS. I know more things about the LC GS than many LC GS owners (I don't declare percentage or anything though).
There are ways to do that even if you don't own one.
(being close to a mechanic and BMW dealer, own research to name a few things)
Also LC GS is still a GS last time I checked.

Anyway...
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:30 AM   #11142
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Ain't the new KTM have the same suspension system as GS?
(I know KTM normally uses their own WP, but they used Sachs semi-active as they are the only ones that make it?)
Correct me if I am wrong.

If that is the case, very interesting.
All the KTM's I've seen, 1190's that is, have had White Power, and are not active damping. I would think the GS suspension is light years ahead in technology in so far as the active damping. The KTM units I observed were more similar to the initial 1200 ducati Multi Strada?
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:14 AM   #11143
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All the KTM's I've seen, 1190's that is, have had White Power, and are not active damping. I would think the GS suspension is light years ahead in technology in so far as the active damping. The KTM units I observed were more similar to the initial 1200 ducati Multi Strada?
Yes I think you are right.
Google (well, that was my source) seems to indicate that indeed WP has made an "electronic" suspension for 1190.
The new MS seems to have the same suspension with GS though.
Different of course in springs and tuning.

I have read at least two comparative tests that seem to indicate that the GS version seems to be the most well tuned than the three. I wouldn't know. Even though I have ridden two of the three bikes, I couldn't do any comparative tests.

Anyway, indeed a dealer-set preload "zeroing to rider weight" would be great.
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Old 12-03-2013, 04:57 AM   #11144
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I have read at least two comparative tests that seem to indicate that the GS version seems to be the most well tuned than the three. I wouldn't know. Even though I have ridden two of the three bikes, I couldn't do any comparative tests.
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I own the new GS and owned the MTS Skyhook bike. Yep, both have semi-active suspensions by Sachs but the variability of damping is different (wider range/more optionality on the MTS). While the bikes are very different (wheels, chassis, para/tele, forks, etc) the overall ride feedback feels a bit softer/less harsh on the BMW, across the available settings.
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I own the new GS and owned the MTS Skyhook bike. Yep, both have semi-active suspensions by Sachs but the variability of damping is different (wider range/more optionality on the MTS). While the bikes are very different (wheels, chassis, para/tele, forks, etc) the overall ride feedback feels a bit softer/less harsh on the BMW, across the available settings.
You did not keep the Skyhook long ? I was referring to the pre skyhook model, which had the gold units .
Out of interest your reason for change ?
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