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Old 01-16-2012, 09:56 AM   #1381
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There isn't a huge amount of heat in the cylinders in comparison to the heads but given there aren't any fins at all on the back I would say there must be water in the cylinders. If there wasn't then the front would be far cooler than the back leading to distortion. Difficult to say for sure though. Its also possible that they are wet liners so if anything went wrong or wore out the liner could be replaced instead of the whole crankcase set.
Good picture though, got one with a front view?
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:08 PM   #1382
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The German magazines write about a cooling for the head area and especially the exhaust valve area. MOTORRAD used the word collar. The graphic may be still a bit "unsharp" at this point of time.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:16 PM   #1383
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You have to remember the Gs range is the biggest seller and it isn't to bmw fanatics either. Most of the owners are new to bmw and only bought in after the 1200 was released. More than likely because it was a modern bike. They aren't making these bikes for the fans of the 1100. They are for possibly a completely different group and 1200 owners.
Why would anybody think a water pump could be so unreliable you wouldn't buy a bike with one? Do you own a car, because that has one. You have far more to worry about an oil pump failing and the 1200 has 2 of them.
Ever looked at a water pump for a bike versus a car? Much shorter life spans...and oh yeah I have owned quite a few bikes that were water cooled I have a 2009 Jeep Rubicon that has already had the water pump replaced at 40K. I just appreciate the not having to worry about a WP failure, a split hose or a damaged radiator. Just eliminates possible problems...I bought my 1200 before my 1150s. I don't know anyone that cannot appreciate both.I have never owned a 1100 GS but I maintain a friend of mines 96 R1100GS and I have rode it. Solid machine but a bit under powered for my liking
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:06 PM   #1384
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read this review that reveals this whole liquid cooled nonsense to be driven by enviro-weenies wanting less emissions and to meet "Euro 5 standards" (as if the EU will even continue to exist):
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/bmw/2013-bmw-r1250gs-preview-91202.html
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:36 PM   #1385
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read this review that reveals this whole liquid cooled nonsense to be driven by enviro-weenies wanting less emissions and to meet "Euro 5 standards" http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/bmw/2013-bmw-r1250gs-preview-91202.html
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Liquid-cooling allows a quicker warm-up time, reducing critical post-start-up emissions, while also lowering operating temps. This will help achieve stricter Euro 5 standards slated to begin in 2015 ... [though] BMW still hasn’t officially recognized this bike or these photos
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:38 PM   #1386
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ead this review that reveals this whole liquid cooled nonsense to driven by enviro-weenies wanting less emissions and to meet "Euro 5 standards" (as if the EU will even continue to exist):
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/bmw/2013-bmw-r1250gs-preview-91202.html
I don't disagree but ultimately I believe people buying in this price range simply want modern technology and air cooling is not.
Me too like my current camhead but it is what it is. I want more.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:31 PM   #1387
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I don't disagree but ultimately I believe people buying in this price range simply want modern technology and air cooling is not.
Me too like my current camhead but it is what it is. I want more.
It might be time for you to test ride the Multistrada if you need that much 'more'. Or look into aftermarket mods (1270cc Max upgrades). Lennie's sprockets or the 3.0 final drive ratio.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:44 PM   #1388
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I don't disagree but ultimately I believe people buying in this price range simply want modern technology and air cooling is not.
Me too like my current camhead but it is what it is. I want more.
+1 I want more too. NOW NOW NOW WHERE IS THE NEW BIKE. Let's go BMW let's see that pig
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:59 PM   #1389
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It might be time for you to test ride the Multistrada if you need that much 'more'. Or look into aftermarket mods (1270cc Max upgrades). Lennie's sprockets or the 3.0 final drive ratio.
Naah, no Ducati for a 6'7" German giant
I'm sure you're right about the mods.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:16 PM   #1390
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Naah, no Ducati for a 6'7" German giant
I'm sure you're right about the mods.
I'm with you on the Ducati-sized sentiment. Love the bikes, wish they came with a more generous sized cockpit.

I don't have any history with any of the mods, but Lennie's has me thinking twice about it on the GS. The 1270cc / 3.0 stuff from Max is interesting in their thread. . I'd be very curious to test ride the result and hear about longevity.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:27 PM   #1391
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Naah, no Ducati for a 6'7" German giant
I'm sure you're right about the mods.
I don't know what bike insurance is like in BC where you live, but over here in Ontario, most bike insurance companies will not insure Ducati's and the few that do, bring some vaseline with you... I thought the MTS1200 might be my next bike till I got an insurance quote... a high of $4500 to a low of $2500 / year. Ducati's are considered "supersport".. Thieves

You're right, the MTS12 is not a bike for a tall guy.

Btw, unless something's changed since it's been told to Canadian dealers, expect the waterboxer in dealer showrooms this fall. We'll see.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:02 PM   #1392
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I don't know what bike insurance is like in BC where you live, but over here in Ontario, most bike insurance companies will not insure Ducati's and the few that do, bring some vaseline with you... I thought the MTS1200 might be my next bike till I got an insurance quote... a high of $4500 to a low of $2500 / year. Ducati's are considered "supersport".. Thieves
You're right, the MTS12 is not a bike for a tall guy.
Btw, unless something's changed since it's been told to Canadian dealers, expect the waterboxer in dealer showrooms this fall. We'll see.
That seems a bit too much money for insurance, here in BC it's a provincially run system (no competition) but I'd highly doubt you'd have to pay anything close to this if you've been a reasonable rider for a while...

I love Ducati but after test riding the MTS1200 I wasn't impressed with the details and the engine, although powerful didn't impress me (not smooth from low rpm's).
I'd expect the R1250LC GS in Canada by 2013 and not before, let the Germans in Germany test it first or give
it to Greek and Italians first (for 30% of list price)
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:01 PM   #1393
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It seems versions with up to 150 hp are planned, albeit not as a GS but more a Touring-Supermoto, similar to the Multiblabla.

Some years back I thought that KTM would be the toughest future competitor to BMW. Now it's Ducati and Triumph.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:17 PM   #1394
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Well Jap bikes have had nikasil bores for nearly 2 decades now. They last forever and are repairable. I think a lot of the water cooled paranoia is unjustified. If evolution and improvement were so evil we would still be riding horses.
Replaceable not repairable! I had dirt bikes in the 70s with the Nikasil bores. They were not then and not now repairable!
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:16 PM   #1395
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Did you enjoy splitting your 1150 in half to replace the clutch?

I can think of at least three good reasons to ditch the dry clutch:
1. More robust, able to operate in the friction zone, without fear of damage
2. No worry about a rear main seal leak destroying the clutch
3. Better access to the slave cylinder (will probably be external)

Cons also come to mind:
1. Engine and clutch/tranny using the same oil

The new boxer motor design is clearly a response to the challenges presented by the competitors, Ducati, KTM, Triumph, Yamaha, etc.

I also think that the oilhead, hexhead, camhead motors and bikes were and are still great machines. There is no reason that the new generation boxer won't be good as well.

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The tranny has to be pulled. Just like all rear wheel drive trucks, tractors , cars etc. Dry clutches have been around as long as autos have been made. There is nothing wrong with a dry clutch. Rear main seals going out are not good however. I have not had a rear main seal go out of anything I have owned and I am 57yrs old. What happens when a rear seal goes out on your new water cooled, wet clutch bike? Let it leak? Wet clutches are an after thought to save money and room. Ask NHRA drag racers and Nascar teams how many have wet clutches in there cars? If it was better in any way they all would be using them no matter what the cost so, why not? Wet clutches make about as much since as wet brakes! What happens when they slip and cook the fluid inside? Maybe you should recommend to BMW and the rest of the world to water cool the clutch too. And the new water cooled bike is not even out yet but, how is it that replacing the clutch will be so easy. The gears and clutch are still powered by the crankshaft, look at the pictures. The transmission still has to be out of the way to replace the clutch which appears to be on top of the gears.
Have you ever had an automatic transmission go out? Expensive isn't it? It is never the gears it is the bands and clutches that run in automatic transmission fluid that go out even when they have a transmission cooler.
Next tell us how belt drives are so much better than drive shafts. The drive shaft is so hard to replace vs a belt! After all, every auto maker around the world uses belts now don't they in the name of progress and improvement.
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