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Old 01-28-2012, 10:57 PM   #1441
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I'm curious about the first reviews of the V4 Crosstourer with Dual Clutch.
I thought those Cross Spoked Wheels were BMW unique??

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Old 01-28-2012, 11:03 PM   #1442
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Good job! Just two minor corrections. They do not really change the meaning which you did capture. Well of course really good English is still something else.

The new EU guidelines for type approval are still far from resolved, and the air-cooled boxer complies with regulations for years to come.
What reasons can you give that make the introduction of a water-cooled engine preferable? With the boxer, as it is conceived today, we can also meet the future limits for exhaust and noise. Nobody (or here: Nothing) forces us to towards water cooling.

What technical advantages do your engineers promise from the water-cooled boxer?

An air-cooled engine reaches when increasing performance thermodynamically and in connection with some individual materials at some point it's natural physical limits. Water cooling offers advantages here, though there would be an additional technical effort of pursuing water-cooling. As you know, additions usually mean weight. Therefore, we consider very carefully what we do.
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:09 PM   #1443
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I'm curious about the first reviews of the V4 Crosstourer with Dual Clutch.
I thought those Cross Spoked Wheels were BMW unique??


That thing looks a lot lighter than it is. As a Varadero replacement it does make sense, indeed. As a GS replacement - not.
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:15 PM   #1444
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Thanks, peter-k! Those were the exact sentences that made no sense to me. I've altered them slightly and incorporated them into my post.
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:40 PM   #1445
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That thing looks a lot lighter than it is. As a Varadero replacement it does make sense, indeed. As a GS replacement - not.
The 1200GS is really a 1200S and the GS designation moved on to the F800GS.
That's why I'm thinking Honda, Triumph, Ducati, Yamaha and BMW are all moving
towards what most people using those machines for: Long distance motorcycling.
The dual clutch V4 cold be nice (or not). I started 25 years ago with an '89 Transalp
and back then couldn't afford nor wanted an "old people" boxer :-) Today I love the BMW brand and my camhead but...
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:31 AM   #1446
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If that was true then why people do not buy all an RT, and make this model to the No. 1? I think what you are doing here is giving the perfect example of misleading with figures.

It may be true that - say - 80 % of miles on a R12GS are clocked long distance touring, But does it also mean that 80 % of GS riders need to have a long distance tourer?

If the R12.5GS cuts off on the adventure side, it will be the beginning of the end of a long long success story, IMO. I am convinced that most want to have "die Wollmilchsau".
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Old 01-29-2012, 06:01 AM   #1447
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The 1200GS is really a 1200S and the GS designation moved on to the F800GS.
That's why I'm thinking Honda, Triumph, Ducati, Yamaha and BMW are all moving
towards what most people using those machines for: Long distance motorcycling.
The dual clutch V4 cold be nice (or not). I started 25 years ago with an '89 Transalp
and back then couldn't afford nor wanted an "old people" boxer :-) Today I love the BMW brand and my camhead but...
I agree. The GS "look" has great appeal...but the reality of off road, single track or very bad road riding is not taken up by most GS riders. Many just do paved road touring. The advantage of the 19inch front and the option of a lot of useful bags contribute to this. Why so many put up with the insanely high (for road bike) height and tip toeing around is beyond me.

The new honda focus on this more core market...but it is really heavy.
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Old 01-29-2012, 06:16 AM   #1448
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I'd say the 2 pictures are pretty close:


It's a pretty good photochop of the first picture... nothing new here.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:10 AM   #1449
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If that was true then why people do not buy all an RT, and make this model to the No. 1? I think what you are doing here is giving the perfect example of misleading with figures.

It may be true that - say - 80 % of miles on a R12GS are clocked long distance touring, But does it also mean that 80 % of GS riders need to have a long distance tourer?

If the R12.5GS cuts off on the adventure side, it will be the beginning of the end of a long long success story, IMO. I am convinced that most want to have "die Wollmilchsau".
This was the start 30 years ago, what happened then? You tell me :-)




Yes, the GS offers a fantastic seat/riding position and there's not much of a choice if you're 6'7"...
If I wanted to go off road I'd buy a 250 Yamaha.
I'm admitting it: To me the GS appeal is in the SUV styling, Boxer, BMW history and brand image.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:44 AM   #1450
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I'm admitting it: To me the GS appeal is in the SUV styling, Boxer, BMW history and brand image.
....and that it doesn't dive when you brake.

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Old 01-29-2012, 10:50 AM   #1451
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....and that it doesn't dive when you brake.
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Yes, I like that as well but the front end still feels a bit disconnected.
The GS is simply an excellent motorcycle to me and the sales figures tell the story.
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Old 01-29-2012, 05:37 PM   #1452
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The difference in between an R 1200 GS and the SUV, is one really can, the other one looks only as if.

We can agree to disagree.
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Old 01-29-2012, 06:55 PM   #1453
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So, no new news on the new bike then?


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Old 01-29-2012, 07:31 PM   #1454
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Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:24 PM   #1455
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The difference in between an R 1200 GS and the SUV, is one really can, the other one looks only as if.

We can agree to disagree.
OK. No question if you're skilled you can do amazing stuff on the R1200GS/GSA.
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