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Old 02-07-2011, 03:49 AM   #1
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Question BP Ultimate 98 Vs Caltex Vortex 98

Picked up a WR250R with only 1700k's on the clock last week and been having a blast riding on grass and round town, can't wait to get it dirty

...went to fuel up and read on the tank fill with PreUnl minimum 95 octane, I'm wondering if there is a difference between the Ultimate 98, Caltex Vortex 98 or any other 98 or are the bigger differences between the individual retailers?

Had a mate put vortex in his Z Swift and said it sputtered, now he only uses Ultimate 98 in his car and DRZ

Any you guys notice a difference between fuels in your bike?
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:52 AM   #2
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:57 AM   #3
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I've always had better performance from BP for Petrol and Shell for Diesel.

Caltex probably water their crap down now that they're owned by Woollies.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:01 AM   #4
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Picked up a WR250R with only 1700k's on the clock last week and been having a blast riding on grass and round town, can't wait to get it dirty

...went to fuel up and read on the tank fill with PreUnl minimum 95 octane, I'm wondering if there is a difference between the Ultimate 98, Caltex Vortex 98 or any other 98 or are the bigger differences between the individual retailers?

Had a mate put vortex in his Z Swift and said it sputtered, now he only uses Ultimate 98 in his car and DRZ

Any you guys notice a difference between fuels in your bike?


There will be batch to batch variances from all suppliers. It will not be brand specific. Fuel can go off. It can be cross contaminated and mistakes can happen, cheaper fuel sold as being the higher grade.
You will know if your been cheated as the bike will ping under load. Avoid ethanol fuels.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:04 AM   #5
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There will be batch to batch variances from all suppliers. It will not be brand specific. Fuel can go off. It can be cross contaminated and mistakes can happen, cheaper fuel sold as being the higher grade.
You will know if your been cheated as the bike will ping under load. Avoid ethanol fuels.

Oh god don't even start me on Ethanol fuels. What a total waste of time. Screws your engine and the ecology of it is rediculous.

Here's an interesting fact. If every square meter of current and potential agricultural land was replaced with Ethanol crops, we still wouldn't have enough production to cope with half of todays demand.

Quit wasting time with ethanol and move to Hydrogen fuel cells, which IS actually environmentally sustainable.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:09 AM   #6
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Had no problems with Caltex, BP or Mobil 98 Premiums. Shell on the other hand have had idling, starting issues and know of others who have had experienced simular issues with Shell. Has something to do with the Shell being of a higher density and not atomizing properly. BP and Mobil are considered being the two best premiums from speaking to plenty of people over the years about what they use and how its preforms. I myself mainly use Caltex most of the time due to them being the closest and easiest to get to.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:12 AM   #7
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Oh god don't even start me on Ethanol fuels. What a total waste of time. Screws your engine and the ecology of it is rediculous.

Here's an interesting fact. If every square meter of current and potential agricultural land was replaced with Ethanol crops, we still wouldn't have enough production to cope with half of todays demand.

Quit wasting time with ethanol and move to Hydrogen fuel cells, which IS actually environmentally sustainable.
spot on silky!!

1.7 the energy requirments to prdouce 1 unit of ethanol
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:13 AM   #8
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I've always had better performance from BP for Petrol and Shell for Diesel.

Caltex probably water their crap down now that they're owned by Woollies.
Whatever makes you think caltex is owned by woollies ???
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:13 AM   #9
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There will be batch to batch variances from all suppliers. It will not be brand specific. Fuel can go off. It can be cross contaminated and mistakes can happen, cheaper fuel sold as being the higher grade.
You will know if your been cheated as the bike will ping under load. Avoid ethanol fuels.
+1 from my experience.
try to stick to servos with high turnover for fresher fuel
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:16 AM   #10
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I use Shell V-Power by preference, happy to use BP Ultimate and avoid Caltex fuels unless desperate.

In all three bikes, I seem to get best performance with the V-Power and inconsistent but mostly shit running with Caltex fuels.

Oh, and +1 on the high turnover stations, any brand or grade of fuel will be crap after sitting in the servo's tanks for too long.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:20 AM   #11
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As far as I know, BP, and Caltex tankers fill up from the same place in Brisbane.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:26 AM   #12
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Well, depends what state you are in as to who makes the brand/blend.
Shell refinery makes most high Octane blends for the Sydney market, they all have their own recipe.

As for the best will I try to avoid Caltex & Shell as they have an affiliation with the supermarkets, Mobil distribution rights about to be taken over by Seven Eleven and they each get enough money out of us all.
Locally I buy BP, never use Ethanol based, bike is always 98 octane and car is always 95 octane.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:35 AM   #13
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Whatever makes you think caltex is owned by woollies ???

Try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltex_Woolworths

They went in when the ACCC told them they couldn't buy any more bottleshops. Apparently the largest anti competitive behaviour fine persuaded them to milk us somewhere else.

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index...mItemId/622289

or

http://www.mauriceblackburnnsw.com.a...oolworths.aspx

Oh and how about you think about this before you give them any more pennys

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/...alian-farmers/

And also check where your stuff comes from, Currently those pricks import Fruit, Veggies, Seafood and meat. Yes that's right your lovely steaks could well be coming from China, who delight in treating the Garlic you eat with Methyl Bromide. Screw those bastards I hope they go bust and soon.


Ok Rant over, but seriously, just think about where your money goes before you hand it over. It's our responsibility.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:37 AM   #14
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Oh god don't even start me on Ethanol fuels. What a total waste of time. Screws your engine and the ecology of it is rediculous.

Here's an interesting fact. If every square meter of current and potential agricultural land was replaced with Ethanol crops, we still wouldn't have enough production to cope with half of todays demand.

Quit wasting time with ethanol and move to Hydrogen fuel cells, which IS actually environmentally sustainable.
too right Silky
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:42 AM   #15
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Try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltex_Woolworths

They went in when the ACCC told them they couldn't buy any more bottleshops. Apparently the largest anti competitive behaviour fine persuaded them to milk us somewhere else.

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index...mItemId/622289

or

http://www.mauriceblackburnnsw.com.a...oolworths.aspx

Oh and how about you think about this before you give them any more pennys

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/...alian-farmers/

And also check where your stuff comes from, Currently those pricks import Fruit, Veggies, Seafood and meat. Yes that's right your lovely steaks could well be coming from China, who delight in treating the Garlic you eat with Methyl Bromide. Screw those bastards I hope they go bust and soon.


Ok Rant over, but seriously, just think about where your money goes before you hand it over. It's our responsibility.
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