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Old 01-19-2005, 10:59 AM   #1
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Hi all,

On the way back from Tech Daze, Creeper and I were having an "illuminating" discussion on lighting.

This was prompted by vrago's search for a position on his bike for aux lighting and then followed up by Boejangles showing us his HID kit.

If I remember correctly correctly, Creep was under the impression that there was not much available in the way of high watt H1 bulbs (I may have misunderstood).

My bike's PO included some Hella bulbs which I looked at closer this AM. They are 12v 100w models and after a quick web search it appears that 12v H1's are available up to 130w (any issues with running this wattage?).

I am currently running the PIAA 55w "extra' bulb, which I like fine, but I could always use more illumination

What I am getting at here is that I would like more illumination and utilize the current light openings (if possible). HID is a real possibility in one headlight, but what to do with the other - 2 HID's still do not make sense to me...

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Old 01-19-2005, 11:09 AM   #2
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2 HID's still do not make sense to me...
why dat?
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Old 01-19-2005, 11:13 AM   #3
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More wattage? quite possible the stock wires won't be able to handle it.
If you did an auxillary light direct from battery with proper gauge I see no problem other than sucking the life out of your existing lights (dimming) Not sure what the alt can handle??
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Old 01-19-2005, 11:15 AM   #4
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why dat?
Perhaps I do not understand the concept so well, eh?

Here is how I see it. 2 HID's mounted so close to one another do not amount to any more illumination or different pattern (or do the different lenses make for different - i.e. more effective light pattern).

What say you Colin

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Old 01-19-2005, 11:25 AM   #5
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On my twin H4 bulbed ST1100 the pattern is different on the left as the right. In UK and other wrong side countries they make a different headlight (reflector) or make you instal a "patch" on the lens to keep the other side from being blinded.

2 HID's give twice as much light, and HID's consume less power, so if you've got gobs of money then go for it. The problem is in blinding oncoming traffic. Use low beam and you can't see further than way less than you are traveling. I've decided driving (not fog) lights are the way to go but have yet to instal.

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Old 01-19-2005, 11:34 AM   #6
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Perhaps I do not understand the concept so well, eh?

Here is how I see it. 2 HID's mounted so close to one another do not amount to any more illumination or different pattern (or do the different lenses make for different - i.e. more effective light pattern).

What say you Colin

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your oem lamps have different patterns. one is a projector and the other is not. having 2 hid lamps beside each other gives twice the light of one if both on at the same time.

that brings up another argument which has 2 sides.

should you run both lamps at the same time?

the yes side says... the ktm engineers only have one on at a time because two draw too much current. once you have the hid's installed you have a combined wattage of 70, so excessive draw is no longer a consideration. run both. you get twice as much light.

the no side says... the ktm engineers have one light on at a time for a reason. optics and how our brains interpret the stuff our eyes see. when your high beam is on you want to see down the road. high beams are long range. the low beam has a wide patern that focuses on close range. having the close stuff lit up brightly and the far away stuff at the same time messes up yer brain. it forces your body (whether you like it or not) to spend time and energy looking at things which are of little concern... the close stuff. the stuff you should be looking at is the far away stuff. have no fear... it will be close soon!

all passenger cars made today shut off driving lights and low beams when the high beams are turned on. for those who claim ktm made their bikes do this because of current draw... why do automobiles do it?

if you change to hid. replace both!
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Old 01-19-2005, 11:38 AM   #7
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Thanks for the education Colin

Boejangles was showing off the kit he is holding hostage from you and he has me hot to upgrade my lighting as well

Sounds like two is the way to go and I personally like the idea of being able to illuminate both of them and utilize both patterns...


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Sounds like two is the way to go and I personally like the idea of being able to illuminate both of them and utilize both patterns...
but having both on at the same time is a nono ... leave it as an option as sometimes both may be cool. wire in a second relay though so you can have just your high beam on if you want.
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Old 01-19-2005, 11:51 AM   #9
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To make sure hid, I trust.

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Old 01-19-2005, 12:46 PM   #12
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I have 37 Surefire lights duct taped to my hemet... I do. By the time I turn on the last one, the first one has gone dead.
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Old 01-19-2005, 02:06 PM   #13
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who left the chicken coop open?

anywho, you might check out this site for bulbs - they have a big selection (its where i got my horns):

http://www.rallylights.com/

specifically: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/bulbs.asp

HL88950S Replacement Bulb, H1 12V, 55W, Xenon +100%, Optilux XP $14.94

(aren't the stock bulbs 55W? PASSY, you runnin 100Ws?!?) Anyways, these are supposed to be about 30% brighter than standard H1s.

There are also have Yellow Star fog bulbs, but I would want a third for a fog, unless the low beam HID was a bright and illuminated like the high beam

HL78105Y Replacement Bulb, H1 12V, 55W, Yellow Star $6.02

PS - note the prices on the HID capsules!!! how often do you have to change these?!?

In the long run I would look at HID upgrades for one of my lights. But for decent pricing, buy the ballast/ignitor wiring and bulb separately - the kits seem to charge a ridiculous premium just for the convenience of a bundled package...
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Old 01-19-2005, 02:14 PM   #14
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(aren't the stock bulbs 55W? PASSY, you runnin 100Ws?!?)
I know I have a PIAA 55w in the low slot and I will have to check what I have in the high slot... I suspect it is the Hella 100w since that was what was in the low slot when I got it.

I think the PIAA 55w's claim that it runs like a 100w is fair. When I flip on my high beam it is difficult to see any discernable difference.

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Old 01-19-2005, 02:33 PM   #15
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I know I have a PIAA 55w in the low slot and I will have to check what I have in the high slot... I suspect it is the Hella 100w since that was what was in the low slot when I got it.

I think the PIAA 55w's claim that it runs like a 100w is fair. When I flip on my high beam it is difficult to see any discernable difference.

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ah good you can blame any problems on the previous owner. so the PIAAs are bright, maybe they are zenon charged as well. - were they cheaper than the Hellas? $15 bucks is cheap for a fancy bulb; way better than the $100+ HID "capsules"...
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