ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Riding > The perfect line and other riding myths
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-06-2011, 02:14 PM   #16
dwoodward
Beastly Adventurer
 
dwoodward's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Location: Pacific NorthWet, Napa Valley North
Oddometer: 4,822
Quote:
Originally Posted by duck View Post
WA changed to this a few years back. An MC endorsement used to cover trikes. When I renewed a few years ago I had the option to get grandfathered in and pay the state more money to get a trike/hack license. I suspect the root cause has to do with the DOL generating revenue.
The root cause has to do with someone officially noticing that trikes and hacks handle nothing like motorcycles. Then comes the MP3...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRP View Post
"Driver's License: There is one state where you will actually need to get a Three-Wheel permit to ride the Spyder - that is Washington (go figure). There are two states where just a standard car driver's license will suffice - they are Delaware and California (go figure again). You will need a motorcycle license for the other 47 states."
Given Oregon's new mandatory training law, and there being no state-approved training for trikes or hacks, new rules here will make Trikes & hacks (and MP3s, which is DUMB not that I have an opinion) a separate class of vehicle.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Trooper View Post
California requires a motorcycle endorsement for any trike or side hack including the Can Am Spyder.
That a change since the Governator infamously whacked a car on a hack (and sans helmet)?
dwoodward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2011, 04:19 PM   #17
Trooper
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Trooper's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Location: Land of Fruits and Nuts.
Oddometer: 234
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwoodward View Post
That a change since the Governator infamously whacked a car on a hack (and sans helmet)?
Well, not exactly.

Section 400 of the California Vehicle Code (definition of a motorcycle) has always addressed trikes and side hacks. After the Governator's mishap, his staff tried to cover is lack of proper endorsement by quoting the 2004 vehicle code which had a typographical error in which the line covering trikes and side hacks had been accidentally omitted during printing. It was a weak attempt to justify his position because previous and later additions of the vehicle code clearly covered trikes and side hacks.

The latest change to section 400 came in 2008 with an effective date of Jan 1, 2009. The California Legislature removed the 1,500lb maximum weight limit when defining a motorcycle. This was done because of the popularity of trike kits on large touring bikes like the Gold Wing and vehicles like the Can Am Spyder. These bikes and conversions were beginning to push the upper weight limit as stated in the vehicle code. By removing the upper weight limit, these vehicles would still be regulated as motorcycles thus requiring helmets and endorsements.


Greg
__________________
Daughter: What did you do for a living, daddy?
Daddy: I thwarted nature!
Trooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2011, 04:28 PM   #18
Green427 OP
Comfortably Dumb
 
Green427's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Cooch's Bridge Battlefield
Oddometer: 1,073
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRP View Post
"Driver's License: There is one state where you will actually need to get a Three-Wheel permit to ride the Spyder - that is Washington (go figure). There are two states where just a standard car driver's license will suffice - they are Delaware and California (go figure again). You will need a motorcycle license for the other 47 states."

From here: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/97/1329/Motorcycle-Article/2009-Can-Am-Spyder-SE5-First-Ride.aspx


This for the Spyder, all other three wheelrs seem to vary greatly by state.

Thanks for the link.
__________________
2011 DL650A
Green427 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2011, 01:52 AM   #19
RVDan
Beastly Adventurer
 
RVDan's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Location: Abbotsford British Columbia Canada
Oddometer: 2,337
Around here the licensing guide for a regular class five passenger vehicle license.

"3-wheeled vehicles - does not include 3-wheeled motorcycles (trikes) or motorcycle/sidecar combinations"

So for the OP question, a motorcycle license is required for a trike.

Now I wonder who decides and how they decide if it is a trike or not.

The T-rex, they can't decide. You sit in it, not on it, you steer with a steering wheel, and its two side by side seats, but some provinces still make you wear a helmet
__________________
Sometimes wheelies happen


Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRocker
You can never have too much hook.
RVDan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2011, 05:59 AM   #20
kbuckey
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Location: Lookout Mountain - above Golden, CO
Oddometer: 746
Quote:
Originally Posted by RVDan View Post
Around here the licensing guide for a regular class five passenger vehicle license.

"3-wheeled vehicles - does not include 3-wheeled motorcycles (trikes) or motorcycle/sidecar combinations"

So for the OP question, a motorcycle license is required for a trike.

Now I wonder who decides and how they decide if it is a trike or not.

The T-rex, they can't decide. You sit in it, not on it, you steer with a steering wheel, and its two side by side seats, but some provinces still make you wear a helmet
Colorado defines a motorcycle as a "motor vehicle that uses handlebars to steer and that is designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground" and excludes farm tractors. (C.R.S. 41-1-102(55) To ride a motorcycle you need a motorcycle endorsement and there are schools that can get you your endorsement for a hack or trike or Spyder, but if you already have your motorcycle endorsement you're good to go.
kbuckey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 12:32 PM   #21
Uncle Pollo
happy cachiporra
 
Uncle Pollo's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Location: Albuquerque, Neue Messico
Oddometer: 47,374
Go and do the MC test on the trike.
Uncle Pollo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 03:19 PM   #22
dwoodward
Beastly Adventurer
 
dwoodward's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Location: Pacific NorthWet, Napa Valley North
Oddometer: 4,822
Most states that put three wheelers firmly in the "motorcycle" camp ahve a special test for them, and the motorcycle endorsement also has a "3-wheel" restriction on it.
dwoodward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 03:28 PM   #23
rickcj7
Gnarly Adventurer
 
rickcj7's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Location: Hollidaysburg PA
Oddometer: 454
In PA 2 or 3 wheels are motorcycles. 4 wheels are cars, motorcycle with training wheels are neither.
rickcj7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 03:57 PM   #24
dwoodward
Beastly Adventurer
 
dwoodward's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Location: Pacific NorthWet, Napa Valley North
Oddometer: 4,822
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickcj7 View Post
In PA 2 or 3 wheels are motorcycles. 4 wheels are cars, motorcycle with training wheels are neither.
Good point- in WA state, the bolt-on "trike kits" that are basically wheels on outriggers, plus fenders, but retain the rear wheel, are *expressly* illegal. Having four wheels, it otherwise circumnavigates all the moto regs while conveniently dodging quite a few of the car ones at the same time.
dwoodward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 06:28 PM   #25
Thanantos
Ride hard.
 
Thanantos's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Location: Michigan
Oddometer: 3,598
You have to have a motorcycle endorsement for any two or three wheeled vehicle in Michigan, and in Delaware (where you are) according to this law:

Quote:
§ 2703. License to operate a motorcycle, motorbike, etc.

(a) No person shall operate a motorcycle, motorbike or other 2-wheeled or 3-wheeled vehicle having less than 3-foot distance between the adjacent wheels, motor-driven vehicle upon a highway of this State without having been properly licensed and having passed, to the satisfaction of the Department, an examination testing the person's ability to operate such vehicle safely. The Department shall issue a separate license for the operation of such vehicle or shall note on the license authorization to operate the same. Those persons who possess a valid class D operators license or CDL license may operate a 3-wheeled motor vehicle without special endorsements or examinations under § 2713 of this title provided there is a minimum of 3-foot distance between the adjacent wheels to ensure vehicle stability. A temporary motorcycle instruction permit can be issued to a person age 18 or older after passing a written motorcycle examination. This permit expires in 60 days. If for any reason whatsoever the applicant fails to pass the required road skills examination during the 60-day period granted by the permit, the permit shall be void, and the fee paid therefor shall be forfeited unless the applicant requests an extension thereof and pays the sum of $2.00. Upon payment of said sum the Division shall immediately issue 1 extension only of the permit for an additional 60 days. If the applicant fails to pass the required examination within the additional 60-day period, the permit shall become void. The following provisions shall apply to a person while operating a motorcycle with a temporary instruction permit for the operation of a motorcycle:
There might be some weird state where this is not the case, but for the most part you will need a motorcycle endorsement.
__________________
1999 DR350SE

2013 V-Strom
Thanantos is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 12:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014