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Old 12-20-2014, 05:54 PM   #1
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Is my steering stabilizer toast?

Well, the obvious dried up fluid would point to a resounding "yes", but it does have some resistance. I've never had one in my hands until now so I don't know how hard the resistance should be. Also... do these bikes really need one? Can I run without it or I'm I asking for trouble at 80mph plus?

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Old 12-20-2014, 05:59 PM   #2
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you can ride one just fine at 80 plus without one, no trouble there. Or: it wont be what makes or breaks the ride at that speed
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:15 PM   #3
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Like Stagehand says, you shouldn't need it anyway. Just leave the silly thing off and plug the hole in your cap nut with a rubber plug. I haven't had a bike with a functioning steering damper for years.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:20 PM   #4
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It is possible to make it work again if the shaft seal is still good. The fatter tubular section is the reservoir and it's sealed up with some sort of hard caulking material. Often, that's what leaks. If you can dig the stuff out of there and seal it back up with fresh fluid, it'll work again.

Usually, if a damper is low on fluid, it'll have resistance part way out and then move easily the rest of the way.

Some of the airheads came with steering dampers, some didn't. You'll be fine without it.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:25 PM   #5
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Not needed ime.

If one has a wobble, fix the wobble instead of relying on a bandaid.
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Old 12-20-2014, 09:07 PM   #6
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:50 AM   #7
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If you can dig the stuff out of there and seal it back up with fresh fluid, it'll work again.
This sounds interesting. I just might try it. Do you know what weight fluid to use?
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Old 12-21-2014, 08:12 AM   #8
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That thing definitely needs seals and oil.

I have never had one on one of my bikes. I would like to have one if they weren't so expensive. The stock setup? They work but not that well. Part of it is mechanical IMO. A good setup has ZERO slop. A good setup does a whole bunch of very important damping before the stock setup even gets a chance to for slop. Pretty much ALL the new hot setups have them. Even dirt bikes use them to good effect now! I have ridden a few with high dollar setups and it was nice.

They are mostly for hard riding. Riding street bikes hard is always a tank slapper waiting to happen no matter how smooth your are and that is the sort of thing steering dampers are good for!
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Old 12-21-2014, 03:10 PM   #9
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That thing definitely needs seals and oil.
Si Señor... but need to know what type, weight and amount of oil to add.
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Si Señor... but need to know what type, weight and amount of oil to add.
And where to get the seals?
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And where to get the seals?
No seals available. But you knew that.

A discovery...



I decided to strip the unit of it's paint and greasy mess with aircraft stripper to get a better look. The seal in question is made from a fibre gasket type material and a lot of it could be scrapped out with a dental pic.

I will use a plumbers epoxy putty that hardens like steel on this joint and seal up both ends of the reservoir. Then I will drill a hole in the reservoir and add the oil, (but still don't know what type and how much). Perhaps this will be trial and error. Then I will fill the hole with putty or drill and tap. Nothing to loose right? If it works, great. If not, into the trash.
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:30 PM   #12
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They are mostly for hard riding. Riding street bikes hard is always a tank slapper waiting to happen no matter how smooth your are and that is the sort of thing steering dampers are good for!
I've always heard differently (including from one of Oak's articles). It would seem to make more sense for high-speed, but they're mainly for low-speed off-road use. Sumpin to chew on.
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:12 PM   #13
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I've always heard differently (including from one of Oak's articles). It would seem to make more sense for high-speed, but they're mainly for low-speed off-road use. Sumpin to chew on.
Hard riding doesn't necessarily mean straight line high speeds. Consider sticky tires, hot pavement, and some serious RPM's leaning over hard coming out of a corner. I think the Shaft has got it right. With all do respect to the Oak-man.
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:44 PM   #14
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A dampener is good value on an airhead if you get the front wheel off the ground whilst leaned over.
It's a shit-fight when the wheel touches back down again and loads up.

Lesson learned, do wheelies in a straight line.

Other than that, dampeners are overrated. If you got a wobble, fix it.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:17 PM   #15
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If I'd had the damper cranked up when I hit the elk, it's possible it could have stopped the tank slapper and I might have been able to prevent going over that 20ft embankment.

You never know when you might need the damper to do its job. Kind of like 'all the gear all the time'.

I'd try 15wt fork oil. See how that works. Maybe even 20wt. I've heard ATF is 15wt - perhaps use some synthetic ATF.
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