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Old 03-11-2013, 08:57 AM   #706
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Please share your valving and weights when it's done, this will easily apply to other forks as well.

I'm trying to get this done as well, stock valving in KTMs, from what I've read, leave a lot to be desired. But I'd like someone to send me the parts so I can learn to do it myself. This is not popular amongst suspension shops. They like getting paid for it, even though I've told them I'm willing to pay for their consultation time. The airhead way and the KTM way don't exactly mesh. Must be nice to have the money for it or have a suspension guru in your pit. I'm getting rather frustrated.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:03 AM   #707
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Please share your valving and weights when it's done, this will easily apply to other forks as well.
Konflict Motorsports' owner is an ADVR member and may be worth contacting... not that he may share his secrets with you, but you could always strip your forks and send him just the valves to adjust...
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your bike is suitably dirty. Well done.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:40 AM   #708
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Here's a set of WP Extreme's with triples and an axle off of a 1999 250SX for $110 shipping included... I'd grab these for parts if I had any sense...

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Old 03-11-2013, 12:27 PM   #709
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If you shorten the 5.2 Nm springs to 87% of there existing free length the spring rate will increase to 6.0 Nm.
Insert a spacer to fill the gap created.
Measure the gap between each coil and multiply by the number of remaining coils to calculate the compression travel available before the coils bind and the spring locks.
I would not expect you would run into coil bind even at full compression.

You might like to creep up in the 6.0 Nm figure by doing this instages with a first step of around 92%.
Thank you! I'll try that. Too bad, i didn't have this idea myself. If my measuring and calculating ist correct, shortening the original springs by 50mm and using the original spacers of 80mm should bring me to 5.3N/mm springs.
This should be a good start, 6.0 may be a little bit stiff for riding in the dirt.
Adjusting the valves for the correct damping is something, i'm worried about. But first i have to get that monster back to the road...

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Old 03-11-2013, 12:39 PM   #710
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should bring me to 5.3N/mm springs.
I'm running 0.55's and Jenna has 0.65's... if anything I would guess my 0.55's are too light. In riging gear I'm 170 lbs and run a Tourtech fuel tank that is typically running about 7-ish gallons of fuel
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:41 PM   #711
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6.0 may be a little bit stiff for riding in the dirt.
everything else staying the same for rider/load what is a bandwidth for spring strength variance for road vs full-offroad use?

trying to understand how much this variable influences overall spring strength.

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Please share your valving and weights when it's done, this will easily apply to other forks as well.

I'd like someone to send me the parts so I can learn to do it myself. This is not popular amongst suspension shops. They like getting paid for it, even though I've told them I'm willing to pay for their consultation time. The airhead way and the KTM way don't exactly mesh. Must be nice to have the money for it or have a suspension guru in your pit. I'm getting rather frustrated.
I have also got frustrated by the 'black-box' approach to this subject.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:11 PM   #712
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I'm running 0.55's and Jenna has 0.65's... if anything I would guess my 0.55's are too light. In riging gear I'm 170 lbs and run a Tourtech fuel tank that is typically running about 7-ish gallons of fuel
Hmm, here in german forums some people use springs with the rate of 4.6 to 5.0N/mm in their GS-bikes. And they told me that this is ok.
Shortening the original springs is not that difficult, so i give it a try.
I tell you when they are too soft.

@Ras:
As always, it depends on your preferences. Some people like stiff springs in the dirt, some not. I don't know, I'm not an expert.
At the normal road I prefer stiff springs, so that the bike doesn't dive too much when I'm braking. This tends to get exhausting, when I'm driving long trips.
The best would be a set of progressive springs, so that the bike is good on- and offroad, but they don't make them für the WP 5060...

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Old 03-12-2013, 11:51 AM   #713
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Gaiters

It seems that fork gaiter lovers are in the minority. For me they are the whole reason for going for conventional forks.





can you get a longer version of the R80 chunkier gaiter?

[IMG] photo fattergaitersgreen_zpsffaeaa5b.jpg[/IMG]
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:17 PM   #714
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On the fork gaitors question.... I just ordered a set of the boots below through Amazon for $32

Daystar F00408BLK FORK BOOTS 408 BK

These are labeled as being for WP 50mm's and are what (I believe) ontic is running on his.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:10 PM   #715
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Daystar F00408BLK FORK BOOTS 408 BK

These are labeled as being for WP 50mm's and are what (I believe) ontic is running on his.
thanks, just got 'em

will happily view any 50mm gaiter-bike photos that you guys want to post...
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:12 PM   #716
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On the fork gaitors question.... I just ordered a set of the boots below through Amazon for $32

Daystar F00408BLK FORK BOOTS 408 BK

These are labeled as being for WP 50mm's and are what (I believe) ontic is running on his.
These are the same ones I am running. The work well. What I have done is slid them down lower that where they are suppose to fit to make them look extended.

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Old 03-12-2013, 04:34 PM   #717
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Hmm, here in german forums some people use springs with the rate of 4.6 to 5.0N/mm in their GS-bikes. And they told me that this is ok.
Shortening the original springs is not that difficult, so i give it a try.
I tell you when they are too soft.

@Ras:
As always, it depends on your preferences. Some people like stiff springs in the dirt, some not. I don't know, I'm not an expert.
At the normal road I prefer stiff springs, so that the bike doesn't dive too much when I'm braking. This tends to get exhausting, when I'm driving long trips.
The best would be a set of progressive springs, so that the bike is good on- and offroad, but they don't make them für the WP 5060...

Regards,
Richard
I had my forks built up. The guy took the max load, how I use the bike and came up with 6.0n/mm. They perform excellent. They were built up for two-up, full camp gear on back, a full tank of fuel, and tank panniers. Riding fire roads and maybe a dash through the woods. Unloaded with low fuel, it is stiffer, but not harsh.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:08 PM   #718
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Alex from Konflict just left with my forks in-hand to work some magic... ETA back to me is 2-3 weeks...

In another thread in the KTM forum he did say he would sell shim/seal kits for those who want to tackle their own forks.
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Old 03-15-2013, 02:49 AM   #719
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thanks, just got 'em

will happily view any 50mm gaiter-bike photos that you guys want to post...
This is a 49mm fork... but hey it got gaiters and i love them.



I use the biggest size of this ones: http://www.ariete.com/en/catalog/off...etti-forcella/
supposed to be on a 43/45mm fork they fit on my 49mm en probably fit a 50mm as well.
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:08 AM   #720
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they dont call them the low countries for nothing:

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