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Old 02-03-2014, 01:35 PM   #211
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If it were a guard rail protecting a cliff, it would be a valid strategy to slide into it.

Otherwise not so much.
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Old 02-03-2014, 02:27 PM   #212
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What would that do? Even if I were going to hit something, I'd rather stay hard on the brakes and scrub as much speed as possible before I hit.
I agree, and I've been there. I T-boned a station wagon that turned left across my lane. I got 2 or 4 stitches (can't recall...it was 1980). If steel had a better grip on asphalt than rubber they would make hellishly durable tires out of it.
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Old 02-03-2014, 02:37 PM   #213
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If it were a guard rail protecting a cliff, it would be a valid strategy to slide into it.

Otherwise not so much.
If it were a guard rail protecting a cliff, I would hope I would have seen that coming. I can imagine a situation where a station wagon unexpectedly showed up in front of me. But a guardrail?
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:07 PM   #214
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If it were a guard rail protecting a cliff, I would hope I would have seen that coming. I can imagine a situation where a station wagon unexpectedly showed up in front of me. But a guardrail?
swerve to miss an animal, off the road towards a guard rail....
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Old 02-03-2014, 05:04 PM   #215
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swerve to miss an animal, off the road towards a guard rail....
What size animal? Probably better to t-bone an animal instead of running into a guard rail. Probably softer,just saying!
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:06 PM   #216
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Use your imagination. Just saying that there are situations where it might be valid to lay the bike down.
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:44 AM   #217
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This is like the Bear Grylls joke, it goes something as follows: "10 minute wait at Tim Hortons, had to drink my own piss." "Ran out of Coke and only had Pepsi, had to drink my own piss."





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Old 02-04-2014, 06:40 AM   #218
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Use your imagination. Just saying that there are situations where it might be valid to lay the bike down.
Maybe on hard old tires and drum brakes.

Not seeing it with modern tires and modern brakes however. It'sway too easy to scrub some speed down these days and reduce the force of the impact than to riska leg "layin' 'er down".
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:03 AM   #219
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Use your imagination. Just saying that there are situations where it might be valid to lay the bike down.
For the sake of arguement I would grant this because there is nearly always an exception to a rule, with the assertion that such exceptions are not the case in the vast majority of "I had to lay 'er down" cases.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:56 PM   #220
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2002 or -03, World Superbike, Laguna Seca. Ben Bostrom ran up the hill to the corkscrew, downshifted, and felt something break. This is where we tie in: He didn't waste time trying to lay 'er down- he just let go.

Now, if we can agree that the tires and brakes will slow you down more than steel or leather (or denim, or skin) will- and you're headed for a guardrail or cliff- Do you want to:

a) let go / push off;
b) try to make the bike lay over and hope it slows down enough, or
c) keep using the tires & brakes, and arrive at the spot slower than a) or b)?
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:59 PM   #221
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Maybe on hard old tires and drum brakes.

Not seeing it with modern tires and modern brakes however. It'sway too easy to scrub some speed down these days and reduce the force of the impact than to riska leg "layin' 'er down".
Sounds like those tires would not be properly scuffed in....



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Old 02-04-2014, 04:03 PM   #222
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Use your imagination. Just saying that there are situations where it might be valid to lay the bike down.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:37 AM   #223
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DAKEZ nailed it!

If... you are heading for a truckload of pipe
If... you are chasing a really evil villain
If... that truck is not going to move anywhere near fast enough to catch up to said villain
If... their escape will result in the unleashing of nuclear weaponry

Then... by all means, lay 'er down.

Otherwise, not so much.

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Old 02-05-2014, 05:49 AM   #224
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DAKEZ nailed it!

If... you are heading for a truckload of pipe
If... you are chasing a really evil villain
If... that truck is not going to move anywhere near fast enough to catch up to said villain
If... their escape will result in the unleashing of nuclear weaponry

Then... by all means, lay 'er down.

Otherwise, not so much.

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I will concede that if you meet all those criteria, you may in fact "lay her down"

I will also point out that he had enough time to slow down and simply turn left and drive behind that truck. It wouldn't be quite as impressive, but it's save the body work!

And, thanks for posting that link, Dakez. I guess that's a bond movie I missed. What a great chase scene! Wheelying up the stairs on a turbo yammi? Awesome!
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:26 AM   #225
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One more IF

If ... the script says you do this and have a stunt man and medical staff on scene, and everyone involved is coordinating and getting paid to accomplish the stunt

then, by all means, lay 'er down.
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