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Old 04-26-2011, 02:46 PM   #106
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I heard the same thing on FNC today and searched for this thread smelling BS. A friend of mine (who doesn't ride) asked me if they taught us how to "lay it down" in the safety class I took. Um... no.
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:54 PM   #107
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I would love to see him riding off in the distance to see how far he would get with that tape.
From his own comments on the page at YouTube:
"It worked for about 4 miles , It has no traction and kept sliding around ."


Gosh! No, really?
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:20 PM   #108
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I don't watch Fox News so I would have missed it, but... e-mail sent!

Me too, they "report" and I decided - don't watch them either. But I also sent an email.
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Old 04-26-2011, 05:38 PM   #109
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I don't watch Fox News so I would have missed it, but... e-mail sent!
Hang in there, I'm sure Chris will have it on Hardball for the "true believers".

Oops, he interrupted so much, no one got a word in edgewise.

BTW, how do you e-mail Chris?
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Old 04-26-2011, 05:47 PM   #110
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From his own comments on the page at YouTube:
"It worked for about 4 miles , It has no traction and kept sliding around ."


Gosh! No, really?
If he had only applied it sticky side out...

Better yet, double sided tape.
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:52 AM   #111
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See, I was just thinking maybe the one time it would be ok to "lay er down" would be to slide right underneath a transport truck! It would be James Bond awesome to slide underneath, stand the bike back up and keep going!

Of course I think someone else should try it first.
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:03 AM   #112
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Ask and ye shall receive: 57 second mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWQHlNaBVRM

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=53

And learn how to embed for crying out loud.

>>> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385793 <<<
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:07 AM   #113
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Stereotypes are created when people live up to the stereotype.

I've had the "lay r' down" conversation with dozens of riders over my 45 years of riding. It always seemed to be long term Harley riders making that statement. Not my fault they are perpetuating the stereotype.

And I've been riding for 45 years and I can count on one hand the number of riders I have heard say that they had to lay 'er down. Dozens you say?? Dozens! And all long term harley riders. Oh yeah. Living up to stereotypes you say. Uh huh.
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:16 AM   #114
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And I've been riding for 45 years and I can count on one hand the number of riders I have heard say that they had to lay 'er down. Dozens you say?? Dozens! And all long term harley riders. Oh yeah. Living up to stereotypes you say. Uh huh.
Really? I have heard it over a hundred times easy. 6 times in the last few weeks alone. 3 from riders and 3 from people that listen to the bullshit and are looking into getting a bike for the first time due to a mid-life thing.

I happily corrected them as I will not stand by and listen to such ignorant drivel. I sold a bike to one of the returning riders and set him up with Team Oregon for instruction. I admonished him to NOT listen to his friend (who was also telling him to not use the front brake).
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:51 AM   #115
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Really? I have heard it over a hundred times easy. 6 times in the last few weeks alone. 3 from riders and 3 from people that listen to the bullshit and are looking into getting a bike for the first time due to a mid-life thing.

I happily corrected them as I will not stand by and listen to such ignorant drivel. I sold a bike to one of the returning riders and set him up with Team Oregon for instruction. I admonished him to NOT listen to his friend (who was also telling him to not use the front brake).
I guess I have been lucky enough that I have spent very little time around mentally challenged riders. I honestly can't remember the last time I heard anyone say it. Except for here and it sure seems like some folk are obsessed with the notion that the more times they say that other riders have said this nonsense to them the better and wiser rider they are. It is just a theory. Maybe I am in some kind of denial state.
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:28 AM   #116
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I have come across a surprising number of students, returning riders and non-riders who, upon hearing that I am a rider coach, have either asked me about "laying it down" or regaled me with a tale of some daring and highly experienced friend or relative who had to execute such a "safety" maneuver. I have become increasingly direct in dispelling the myth without concern for the feelings or status of the person concerned:
"Who told you that?"..."Your brother-in-law" ... "Please tell him from me he's an idiot, and he needs to stop spreading such stupidity!"

Not using the front brake is a less common concern but almost always comes from a woman who has been given this pearl of wisdom from an "experienced" rider and brings it up upon hearing contradictory facts during a course. At this point, I usually redirect the question to the class. I am pleased to say the majority see it for the BS that it is.

One of my daughter's teachers had an unfortunate altercation with an 18-wheeler resulting in a broken arm. I was most distressed to learn she was telling her students that she survived the incident due to laying it down as she had been taught in one of MY classes . It's tough to overcome stuff like that
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:32 AM   #117
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Unfortunately, it's one of those myths that just won't die.

Kind of like ABS reducing fatalities by 37%... now if we can just get that last leading dentist to start chewing Trident sugarless gum.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:09 PM   #118
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And I've been riding for 45 years and I can count on one hand the number of riders I have heard say that they had to lay 'er down. Dozens you say?? Dozens! And all long term harley riders. Oh yeah. Living up to stereotypes you say. Uh huh.
Yes dozens. My riding acquaintance demographic varys greatly. I've been a MSF instructor which also exposed me to many different type of riders.

Just last weekend at a "shooting" match we were talking bikes... the lone Harley rider of the bunch starting talking about how he's had to lay-it-down 2 times to avoid accidents. Just to spread the love, I once had a Gold Wing rider mention that he uses the "I'd rather slide into a vehicle on my butt than risk using the front brake" method of accident avoidance.
Just stating my personal experience, your's may be different.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:38 PM   #119
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Unfortunately, it's one of those myths that just won't die.

Kind of like ABS reducing fatalities by 37%...
Yeah!.. What a load of crap! We all know it's 36%, but only Mon-Sat in months that have an 'R' in them.

Seriously though, ABS is not the same at all. Pros and cons of ABS are at least debatable amongst the cognoscenti, whereas nobody with any real credibility is willing to champion "laying it down" or avoiding the front brake.

Seems like you have managed to mention ABS in EVERY SINGLE thread you post in. Have you won the bet yet?
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:04 PM   #120
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I'll bet that Katie Couric is an expert at threshold braking.
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