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Old 04-24-2011, 02:12 AM   #16
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I have nearly 20000km on my S10 and it's still with me.

The gs was 6000km and gone.
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:38 AM   #17
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Choice of S or T Modes

T Mode is good for fuel economy or conditions where too much power to the wheel doesn’t help. S Mode is a treat and the bike really rocks on this setting. No complaints about power. All very usable.
Fueling has a glitch in the 3200 to 3500 range on acceleration. Hopefully a software upgrade from Yamaha will address this. It is a minor irritant.


Excellent report.. I am in this limbo or a Triple Black or a S10..
I don't quiet get what you mean buy (Fueling has a glitch in the 3200 to 3500 range on acceleration) dose it cut out, a delay or other. Tks
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:29 PM   #18
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Thanks for the report Roger. How is engine vibration at cruising speed (~80 moh) compared to the boxer? What about ergonomics . . . . . do you prefer it the the GS and why? Thanks again!
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:44 PM   #19
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Nice report. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on the bike.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:47 PM   #20
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Great report! Thanks.
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Old 04-25-2011, 02:08 AM   #21
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Choice of S or T Modes

T Mode is good for fuel economy or conditions where too much power to the wheel doesn’t help. S Mode is a treat and the bike really rocks on this setting. No complaints about power. All very usable.
Fueling has a glitch in the 3200 to 3500 range on acceleration. Hopefully a software upgrade from Yamaha will address this. It is a minor irritant.


Excellent report.. I am in this limbo or a Triple Black or a S10..
I don't quiet get what you mean buy (Fueling has a glitch in the 3200 to 3500 range on acceleration) dose it cut out, a delay or other. Tks
My experiences of this bike mirror those of the OP. I too experience the glitch he talks about but my experience it that is is only a slight hesitation in the power delivery and only manifests itself when accelerating smoothly through it. My previous 09 GSA had the same but it was much more pronounced. It made the bike (the BMW) feel like it was a lot more powerful that it realy was.
As for the Yam, I have now got used to it and do not even notice it.

As for the T mode. What I understand it actually does is make the throttle butterflies open slower than the twist of your wrist and it tames the bike considerably. (I say this as they are electronically connected, not directly.) I believe there is also a measure of engine tuning as the bike does not deliver full power in the lower gears in T or S. T is great for 2 up and in town.
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Old 04-25-2011, 03:30 AM   #22
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If your talking about the shudder/rumble between 3-4000 rpm it almost disappears when the muffler is changed. I have a GYTR/Remus muffler fitted and haven't noticed the problem since changing it. Even with the free flowing baffle fitted it doesn't have a problem.
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Old 04-25-2011, 03:48 AM   #23
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Great write up, Thanks!
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Old 04-25-2011, 01:24 PM   #24
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2010 yamaha super tenere xt1200z long term report

Thanks for all the kind words.

ArmyMedic......you have a PM re which windscreen. See their website for size recommendations for your personal measurements.

AQUN......... you have a PM on the glitch. Just what Ray said. He's described is clearly. No big deal at all.

BrendanJ......interesting to note this went away with your exhaust change.

I will continue to post here on the pros and cons of my Super Tenere as time and the kilometres roll on.

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Old 04-25-2011, 01:59 PM   #25
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Yeah,valuable write-up. Thanks. What do you mean by the Tenere turns slower than the GS ? On asphalt,corner blasting? Or slow turns on steep, loose ,tight dirt swtchbacks? How's the torgue compare in the latter condition--climbing steep,loose stuff(often 2 up in my case)? You think the tenere has a wider turning radius than the GS? If the Tenere is better in the rough stuff than the GS,it's a hellofva bike. My complaint with the GS was it's UNreliability. Thanks, again. Interesting.
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Old 04-25-2011, 03:12 PM   #26
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Not my thread, but from my experience the GS is faster turning due to the front end. On road the Telelever feels like a shorter travel fork, somewhat more planted and firm. Riding agressively on road this is what gives the GS an edge over the S10, the later with a much more dirt bike-like front end.

This front end feel, along the longer swingarm, is in the other hand what makes the S10 much better on the rough stuff off road.
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Old 04-25-2011, 03:21 PM   #27
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Not my thread, but from my experience the GS is faster turning due to the front end. On road the Telelever feels like a shorter travel fork, somewhat more planted and firm. Riding agressively on road this is what gives the GS an edge over the S10, the later with a much more dirt bike-like front end.

This front end feel, along the longer swingarm, is in the other hand what makes the S10 much better on the rough stuff off road.
thanks Zasker. I always thought the GS was slow in corners(as in asphalt corner blasting) but that had more to do with it's height ,I thought. Being higher, you go thru a bigger arc as you flip side to side in ,say, tight 'S' curves. Takes time but is a lotta fun, I felt. I sat on a Tenere at the Seattle moto show. Seems about as high. Hope you are right in what you say about the Tenere & dirt. Sounds great.
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Old 04-25-2011, 05:23 PM   #28
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In decreasing degrees of rake...

SUZUKI M109R 32.0
BMW F650GS DAKAR 29.2
Suzuki DR650SE 28.5 [111mm]
Kawasaki KLR650 28.0 [112 mm]
SUPER TENERE 1200 28.0 [126mm trail]
Honda Crosstourer 1200 28.0
DR -Z400 27.3 [112mm]
Honda XR650L 27.0 [102mm]
KTM 990 26.6
V-Stroms 26.5
BMW R1200GS 26.2 (pre 2013)
SUPER TENERE 1200 25mm raising links installed 26.2 [101mm Trail]
BMW F800GS 26.0 [116mm]
KTM 1190 / 1190R 26.0 [119mm]
DUCATI MTS1200 25.0 [109mm]
BMW R1200GSW > 2013 24.8 [89mm]
YZF-R1/R6 24.0
TIGER 1200 Explorer 23.9 [105.5 mm]
TIGER 1200 Explorer XC 23.9 [105.5 mm]
BMW S1000RR 23.9° [95.9 mm]
TIGER 800 23.7
TIGER 800XC 23.1
BUELL XB12X ULYSSES 22.0


[edit] Changed to reflect YAMAHA specs of 28 degrees. [As per workshop manual]

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Old 04-25-2011, 08:18 PM   #29
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Yes, the height of the bike affects when turning, but that can be solved with countersteering. Just use those gargantuan handlebars and the bike will be fast on S's.
The S10 feels lower, but if I'm not wrong it is fisically at least as tall as the standard GS (not a bad thing, IMO).

That rake angle is defenitely not helping. Would love to try those raising links...
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:44 PM   #30
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Yes, the height of the bike affects when turning, but that can be solved with countersteering. Just use those gargantuan handlebars and the bike will be fast on S's.
The S10 feels lower, but if I'm not wrong it is fisically at least as tall as the standard GS (not a bad thing, IMO).

That rake angle is defenitely not helping. Would love to try those raising links...
Actually zasker, you can't turn a motorcycle ,at speed, without countersteering,but i get your drift. Thanks, what you say is encouraging about the Tenere.
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