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Old 06-14-2011, 07:16 PM   #781
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:56 PM   #782
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Could it be that they each have anecdotal evidence where they felt the "noise" their bikes made helped (at least once because that is all it takes) to avoid a mishap?

If so, they have a right to their belief and I would put more emphasis on their opinion as oppposed to someone who claims loud pipes provide no safety benefit and yet haven't ever run loud pipes themselves.

How could someone that never used loud pipes provide an opinion with any validity if they never personally tested the hypothesis?
Time was that I had loud bikes, HD's, Ducati's, and 2 and 4 stroke UJM's. Now I prefer my bikes to be no more than slightly louder than stock.

It used to be that I had more than my fair share of issues with other motorists when I had loud pipes. Now with quite pipes I have virtually no problems with other motorists.

Going by my personal anecdotal experiences, it would seem that quiet pipes "save lives" and loud pipes are dangerous, that is if I wanted to see it that way but that would be disingenuous.
The truth is I am much safer now because I have matured, become more responsible, and have accepted the road is to be used on terms other than just my own.

True safety has nothing to do with exhaust volume, if it does, you need to wake up and grow up.

I love the sound of combusting hydrocarbons, but accept the fact that the majority of people don't.
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:38 AM   #783
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It used to be that I had more than my fair share of issues with other motorists when I had loud pipes. Now with quite pipes I have virtually no problems with other motorists.
Could it be you just have more experience now? I have moderate pipes, and don't have problems with motorists.
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:56 AM   #784
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It seems to me that the LPSL arguement is just one more excuse that riders use to justify to themselves that the offensive noise that they are making is for a reason other than pure vainity.

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I was tempted to reply, but was thinking why bother.
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Could it be you just have more experience now? I have moderate pipes, and don't have problems with motorists.
I have the stock muffler on my imaginary bike and have had no problems with motorists...no more than what I encountered in my small car.
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:20 AM   #785
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Could it be you just have more experience now? I have moderate pipes, and don't have problems with motorists.
Yes, exactly what I meant.

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The truth is I am much safer now because I have matured, become more responsible, and have accepted the road is to be used on terms other than just my own.
My "issues" had to do with being immature, and selfish as a kid, it had nothing to do with pipes loud or quiet.

I remember how so many people walking around would look at me when I had loud pipes. It finally dawned on me that "the look" wasn't admiration, respect, or jealousy, it was annoyance, hate, and them wishing I would get run over by a truck. I'm not the brightest BB in the box and I figured it out, unfortunately way too many riders are dumber than average or just don't care.
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:39 AM   #786
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This explains it for most.

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I remember how so many people walking around would look at me when I had loud pipes. It finally dawned on me that "the look" wasn't admiration, respect, or jealousy, it was annoyance, hate, and them wishing I would get run over by a truck. I'm not the brightest BB in the box and I figured it out, unfortunately way too many riders are dumber than average or just don't care.
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Old 06-15-2011, 12:02 PM   #787
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I remember how so many people walking around would look at me when I had loud pipes. It finally dawned on me that "the look" wasn't admiration, respect, or jealousy, it was annoyance, hate, and them wishing I would get run over by a truck.


Exactly! We all pay in one form or another for that selfishness and eventually it will lead to legislation that restricts our rights. Snowmobilers saw the writing on the wall years ago and self-policed for the most part before it was too late. Smokers didn't, and look what happened to their "rights."
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:02 PM   #788
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Ain't that the truth! Leave it to South Park. Gotta luv 'em.
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:47 PM   #789
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You say “I know for certain…“ If you think that you would not get a significant performance increase by opening up the engine on your bike (air intake/pipes & exhaust) and adjusting the fuel input you are ignorant of what your bike is capable of.
So you're telling me that my K1200R which produces ~140rwhp, is performance limited by the stock exhaust? A full tune with aftermarket pipe and PowerCommander barely nets over 150rwhp, a whole 7% gain. HOLY COW! WTF am I thinking, I now have to go out and spend big bucks on a full exhaust plus a custom fuel map, dyno tuning, etc. With the new parts I can enjoy sub 10sec 1/4 mile acceleration and also annoy anyone within earshot, plus burn more fuel to boot.

The only reason that I could possibly see for replacing the stock exhaust on my bike is to get rid of the catalyst and reduce weight.

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Some people like to screw with their bikes and get all they can out of them. Harley crowd probably screws with there bikes more then the other brands.

Guys have been hot rodding there cars, since they came out of Detroit.
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Old 06-15-2011, 07:46 PM   #791
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Some people like to screw with their bikes and get all they can out of them. Harley crowd probably screws with there bikes more then the other brands.

Guys have been hot rodding there cars, since they came out of Detroit.

I'm guessing you are talking about paying their mechanic to bolt more chrome turds on their Harley Fergusons.
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:42 PM   #792
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I'm guessing you are talking about paying their mechanic to bolt more chrome turds on their Harley Fergusons.
Granted, lots of Harley riders don't work on the rides. But on average more Harley riders wrench then metric. Look Dennis Kirk or J&P catalog, you can build an entire bike.

Go on a Harley forum, they will be talking cams and heads. How about here?

So I wouldn't poking fun, its the metric crowd that takes there bikes in, to have the tupperware removed.

Can you open up a catalog and rebuild the engine of your bike?
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So you're telling me that my K1200R which produces ~140rwhp, is performance limited by the stock exhaust? A full tune with aftermarket pipe and PowerCommander barely nets over 150rwhp, a whole 7% gain. HOLY COW! WTF am I thinking, I now have to go out and spend big bucks on a full exhaust plus a custom fuel map, dyno tuning, etc. With the new parts I can enjoy sub 10sec 1/4 mile acceleration and also annoy anyone within earshot, plus burn more fuel to boot.
A little different than:

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I know for certain that the bike I currently ride has no performance limitations with the stock exhaust fitted.
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Assuming that your 7% number is correct it certainly does not = 0 (as in "no performance limitations"

Besides I have read it is fairly easy to squeeze and extra 10% out of it. You may not want to and that is fine... Nobody needs to IMO but the bike is choked up a bit from the factory.
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Granted, lots of Harley riders don't work on the rides. But on average more Harley riders wrench then metric. Look Dennis Kirk or J&P catalog, you can build an entire bike.

Go on a Harley forum, they will be talking cams and heads. How about here?

So I wouldn't poking fun, its the metric crowd that takes there bikes in, to have the tupperware removed.

Can you open up a catalog and rebuild the engine of your bike?

Honestly, no, i can't open a catalogue and rebuild the engine of my bike. I have yet to find a catalogue dealing specifically with a War Dept. 1942 Norton 16H.

Did traditional hot-rodders build their cars from a catalogue? Nope.
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Dammit. you guys keep sucking me in to replying. I need to quit reading this thread.
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