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Old 05-04-2011, 08:07 AM   #31
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Just for reference, the KTM 690 is exactly double the price the price of the XR650L in South Africa. A WR450 lies midway between the 2.

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Old 05-04-2011, 08:57 AM   #32
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CRF plastic , a kick starter, plastic tank and oil cooler would have been nice and easy. Inverted forks would be asking too much along with better bars, lighter frame and stronger subframe............Did I forget somthing?
You've got it! I'll take mine in Honda Racing Red!! Don't listen to all these KTM followers Honda, they'll never buy your bikes anyway
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:52 AM   #33
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Bikes destined for the street have steel tanks.
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Old 05-04-2011, 10:17 AM   #34
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Honda's destined for the street have steel tanks.
There are plenty of plastic tanked streetbikes out there.

Personally I really like the XR650L's engine.
I'm just fed up with the rest of the bike.

I just hope that when/if Honda decides to get serious about the market
They won't make an aircooled bike look like a shrouded mx'r.
Like they have done with the rest of the line up.

As for KTM laughing, I bet Honda doesn't even give a rats ass about the KTM's dual sport. since it sells in such massive numbers here in the states.

I believe at least the last time I looked the sales figures of both bikes were pretty close.
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Old 05-04-2011, 10:27 AM   #35
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Old 05-04-2011, 01:34 PM   #36
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As for KTM laughing, I bet Honda doesn't even give a rats ass about the KTM's dual sport. since it sells in such massive numbers here in the states.

I believe at least the last time I looked the sales figures of both bikes were pretty close.
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Honda doesn't have to match or even come close to KTM performance to sell as well. They have the advantage of many more dealers, a more recognizable name and a reputation of reliability. Combine that with a significantly lower price and service costs and they'll do quite well. If they even care about such a small market.

I'd hoped that Yamaha's release of the WR250R would be the start a several new models from the big 4 in the dual sport market. But I think the recession probably killed any significant investment there if there even was a hope in the first place.

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Old 05-04-2011, 02:12 PM   #37
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You've got it! I'll take mine in Honda Racing Red!! Don't listen to all these KTM followers Honda, they'll never buy your bikes anyway
When I decided I needed a big single cyl adv / dual sport bike 7 yrs ago the 1st place I went was the local Honda dealer, All they could offer me was a brochure for a Transalp I considered a used XR650R or L but for my needs the KTM hit the nail on the head on several different levels.

If replacing the good ol 640 with a new machine I would definitely be interested in an updated XR650, but at present the KTM 690 is about the only horse in the race for me.

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Old 05-04-2011, 07:39 PM   #38
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I agree that it's time for changes, but my XR and XRL are as reliable as anvils. In addition, the have the weight characteristics of anvils. I'd like to see a modern 700cc EFI XR
This. 650R engine/frame with beefier subframe, better suspension/USD forks, EFI, kick and E-start with 6-speed, narrow tranny? (and +/-300lbs)

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Old 05-04-2011, 10:40 PM   #39
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About ZAR 48000 - 50 000 / US$6800 approx.

As for the pics: google XR650L pics and its exactly what we're getting, metal tank, weird shrouds, battery box under left side cover, the works. There has been exactly 0 updates. Its like something from a time warp.

I'm trying to get 1 to basically re-build it to an XR600R look-alike - just 1 with an electric start and that's brand new. I'll be upping compression, XR650R headlight and taillite, Acerbis tank, progressive front spring. You get the drift.

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Old 05-05-2011, 12:58 AM   #40
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Yes, you are in fact getting the drift. However, if there needs to be oily marks on the swing arm, I'll be putting it there myself.

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Old 05-05-2011, 09:25 AM   #41
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http://powersports.honda.com/2012/xr650l.aspx

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Specifications



ENGINE


ENGINE
Engine Type644cc air-cooled dry-sump single-cylinder four-stroke
Bore And Stroke100.0mm x 82.0mm
Compression Ratio8.3:1
Valve TrainSOHC; four-valve RFVC
Induction42.5mm diaphragm-type CV carburetor
IgnitionSolid-state CD with electronic advance

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DRIVE TRAIN
TransmissionFive-speed
Final Drive#520 O-ring-sealed chain; 15T/45T

CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES


CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES
Front Suspension43mm air-adjustable leading-axle Showa cartridge fork with 16-position compression-damping adjustability; 11.6-inches of travel
Rear SuspensionPro-link Showa® single-shock with spring-preload, 20-position compression- and 20-position rebound-damping adjustability; 11.0-inches travel
Front BrakeSingle disc with twin-piston caliper
Rear BrakeSingle disc
Front Tire3.00-21
Rear Tire4.60-18

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DIMENSIONS
Rake27.0 degrees
Trail102.0mm (4.0 inches)
Wheelbase57.3 inches
Seat Height37.0 inches
Curb Weight346 lbs (*Includes all standard equipment, required fluids and full tank of fuel-ready to ride)
Fuel Capacity2.8 gallons, including 0.6-gallon reserve
Ground Clearance13.0 inches

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OTHER
Available ColorsRed
Model IdXR650L
EmissionsMeets current CARB and EPA standards. California version differs slightly due to emissions equipment.

FACTORY WARRANTY INFORMATION


FACTORY WARRANTY INFORMATION
One YearTransferable, unlimited mileage limited warranty; extended coverage available with a Honda Protection Plan
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:25 AM   #42
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This is GREAT! I can add the new stickers to my 1993 and end up with the same bike again... another year of parts support or the end of time which ever comes 1st. I don't understand the XRL vs KTM debate two radically different machines each with its purpose well represented. I'd love to have a KTM as a second bike.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:20 PM   #43
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I guess it comes down to value. What we get for our money. Yes a XR650L is cheaper out the door but add up all the wonderful do-dads to make it more of what its not and you find yourself in the KTM price zone with a bike that blue books for $4k reguardless of add ons once out the door. Honda needs to be price conscience about their product and where it fits in the market segment. At some price point the KTM over comes the Honda on percieved value.
Despite having owned a KTM for a very short while with no problems I find as I get older the high tech. wiz bang feeling dosn't last as long as the feeling of having the extra cash in my pocket. I'm leaning towards the Honda again only on the basis of sanity in that an "uber-bike" might cause me to do things I shouldn't try .

Then again the lighter weight new 500exc KTM would be easier on my older back HONDA KTM

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Old 05-06-2011, 09:51 AM   #44
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ktm vs xrl is apples to oranges. I got the XR so my wife could ride on the back with me and to commute. otherwise id want a ktm
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:09 AM   #45
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The jap dual sport efforts are so base model, that seasoned riders have to dump uber cash into them to make them work. However I do that with every bike I own, so its 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other...The best dual sport is the one that has the best major things that are important to you and the rest can be fixed. For example

Husky TE Cons = Fuel pump issues, close ratio trans, short crankshaft life.
Pros = Great chassis, and sexy as it gets.

KTM EXC Cons= Oil transfer problems, and linkless rear suspension.
Pros= Proven winners and decent out of the box


XR Cons = Crap chassis and Dinosour legs for front forks.
Pros = Last forever, and ever, and ever, and ever

DRZ Cons = Crappy carb, cams, and exhaust. All downgrades from the K and E models. Why did they remove the kicker anyway??
Pros = Fairly strong engine when upgraded, Durable, and Buku aftermarket support.

We should all be happy that at least there are many choices of which we can build off of.
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