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Old 05-18-2011, 10:53 PM   #46
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I know. Me too. No matter how many times I remind myself that his name means "my mind is OK" all I can see is "my mind sock."

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Ever since someone pointed that out to me out MM Sock has been "Okie Dokie Brain" to me (kinda like CDD is "Wacky Bongo Boy").

We feeble minded need all the help we can git.
I friggin HATE you guys!
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:41 PM   #47
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Settle down...

If you go back and look at moorespeed's post he clearly stated that the info came from BMW GB but OTOH, your subsequent reaction certainly makes it appear as if you're still having a problem.

"Something new to all of us"? Maybe, but I'm not so sure. I've been hearing rumors concerning these bad cams for several months but this info puts everything in a new light. Now that the info has been verified, we can work from here to try and gather more info concerning our situation here in the US.

SS, if you think that someone owes you an apology, go ahead and think that but in this case I wouldn't agree and demanding one is... In bad taste. Why not simply challenge the man to a duel?

Lastly, I want to welcome our newest member to Olds Cool! I, for one, am very happy that MS has found this corner of the world and hope that he keeps dropping by to chat and contribute to the mix. With his reputation, credentials and experience, hes more than welcome.

Now... Back to our paid programming!
Yes he did clearly state that BMW GB was his source and I clearly stated that I hoped BMW GB was more reliable than BMW NA and then asked if he knew how BMW GB came to that conclusion.

Tell me how I "demanded" an apology but use my words and not your own.
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:02 AM   #48
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An apology!! Nice try fella.

I wasn't aware of any long history of trying to stir things up with you. I remember asking for your advice on a couple of occasions and even thanking you for your contribution when the other guys were giving you a hard time.

The post above was in response to your perceived attitude to Moorespeed. You've had a dig at him on other posts for no apparent reason yet all he's done is offer information. Richie provides the engineering behind an awful lot more than the bikes on his site.

A duel sounds good though As the challenged I'd get to choose the weapons
OK. Just to speed things along, lets stick to your short history of stirring things up with me.

Why don't you try asking me what my attitude is instead of relying on your own perceptions? Why accuse me of something that you have perceived like it is something I actually feel? I've had digs at him for no apparent reason?? Good questions are not digs! There are GOOD reasons for my questions. I would think Richie with all his experience would understand how some sources from even BMW AG can be suspect let alone one of the importers. I have no idea why he would take offense to telling the story like he eventually did? Except for all the drama, it all made sense to me after I heard the whole story.

So I guess you are not going to PM me about going on about your perceptions as if they were fact? Why am I not surprised? It's fine to talk about your feelings but you need to remember that they are YOUR feelings.
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Old 05-19-2011, 06:31 AM   #49
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...jeez, this is turning into a pissfest.
Whyn't you peepee boys take outside.
sheesh!

...so, know one really knows about any of the stock available, in the fazzaland or elsewhere. Someone pic up the phone...
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:07 AM   #50
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more and more chinese and turkish BMW parts...
ruber parts become worst and worst. What a shame.
this is not a chinese or turkish problem, but a BMW one as BMW doesn't make any after production good check
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:16 AM   #51
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In some ways we should be happy that BMW is even attempting to keep making new parts for these old bikes. If the cams are made in China and they are no good, move on.
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:26 AM   #52
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Does anyone know if the Motoren Israel 336* cam is a copy of the BMW piece?

http://www.motoren-israel.com/produc...ckenwelle.html

ie: Does it have the same lift and gentle ramp profiles?




(can't figure out how to ask them questions about their products on their website)
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:31 AM   #53
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Does anyone know if the Motoren Israel 336* cam is a copy of the BMW piece?

http://www.motoren-israel.com/produc...ckenwelle.html

ie: Does it have the same lift and gentle ramp profiles?




(can't figure out how to ask them questions about their products on their website)
I just sent Sylvia over they an email asking the question.
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:34 AM   #54
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If BMW's suppliers makes MI's cams, great but that doesn't necessarily mean they are as good as what they were selling to BMW. Personally, I would look into getting one from BMW's original supplier if MI hasn't already done that.

336 specs are one thing but are the cams wear resistant like BMW's??

Plus, a lot of the 336's difficult part to grind doesn't even show in the specs for the cam lift check point.
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:40 AM   #55
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I friggin HATE you guys!
But I heart you.

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Old 05-19-2011, 10:55 AM   #56
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So I guess you are not going to PM me about going on about your perceptions as if they were fact?
Some of us have to work for a living. Just got back.
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Old 05-19-2011, 11:23 AM   #57
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I just sent Sylvia over they an email asking the question.
Thank you Chris!!! ...truth trumps rumor...

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Old 05-19-2011, 12:26 PM   #58
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Re: 336 cam

Sheesh guys, all i asked was how to tell if a 336 cam was made in china, which by the way has not been answered yet so if no one knows consider this thread closed. Arch.
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:06 PM   #59
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The idiotnet isn't all pictures. What is it with people not reading?

The answer to your question is in this thread right before your eyes.
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Old 05-19-2011, 03:11 PM   #60
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A thought that rambles through this old mechanic's brain.

Several current bikes are having camshaft issues, KTM, BMW and the 4 valve Guzzi.

Consider... What happens to all that fine, hard metal swarf?
No, the filter does NOT get it all.

The most damaging hard debris in oil or air is <.002" and >.0005".
Valves and their guides are right next to these camshaft as the spit off these fine, hard flakes... Mmmm.
Con-rod bearings are next, then piston skirts & bore.. Well the bore might be uber-hard but not the skirt & rings.

Once wear sets in, oil throw-off from the rod's big-end hitting the wall of a worn bore/piston, combined with a loose intake guide, both permit oil to enter the combustion chamber=detonation. That's when the fun really starts.

So these cams get replaced but 30k miles or so they engine runs sour and it all started with a crap cam.
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