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Old 08-29-2013, 07:23 PM   #9316
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Steve - just sell the damn Montana!
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:30 PM   #9317
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You guys are such non-travelers. If you're Russian, using the Russian system, it's ГЛОНАСС приемник

Then there's the Chinese system 北斗卫星导航系统, and the European system Galileo,

and the Roman system:

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Old 08-29-2013, 07:32 PM   #9318
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Sorry, we've all moved on from the Garmin 60 series.
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:21 PM   #9319
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and the Roman system:
Please elucidate....a Roman sundial wrist watch? You flip up the center gnomon and hold your arm out pointing South? And what about the hand down in the bottom area?

Surely this is a modern rip-off?
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:30 PM   #9320
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From the web site:

PANDEIA is a line of compass/sundial wrist watches designed and handcrafted on the island of Maui by Aloha babe Kelsi. Exploration and adventure have given rise to this wearable reminder that the time is NOW.

http://bycheryve.com/accessories/watches

COMPASS SUNDIAL KANE WATCH €239.00

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Old 08-29-2013, 10:42 PM   #9321
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Yeah, but how rugged is it? And vibration damping?
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:48 AM   #9322
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Who makes a screen protector for that?
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:35 AM   #9323
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If the smart way is to put everything (maps & data) on the SD card, then why the heck did I buy 3.5GB of internal memory?

Probably covered a hundred times somewhere, so rack it up to another New Owner Stupid Question. What's the best management practice for all this storage space....internal vs. external (SD Card)?

I was thinking, I was going to load CNNA on my internal memory + data there too, and save the SD slot for other changeable stuff.....24K topos or whatever.

The Wisdom from above, seems to imply putting everything on SD card.

Hhhmmmm........betwixed or befuddled.

Figured this time around (with Montana) it's time for me to stop driving my Cadillac like a Volkswagon. Please advise best way.

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Old 08-30-2013, 08:45 AM   #9324
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Steve - just sell the damn Montana!
Can't get even close to what's invested back out... Unit, maps, BirdsEye, mounts.... and so much time!

It's a shame that you can't find out about the feature limitations of Garmin's units prior to purchase. Their documentation is way too weak. It would have been nice to hear more about the bugs and other deficiencies prior to purchase... but then again, they wouldn't have sold a unit!
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:57 AM   #9325
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If the smart way is to put everything (maps & data) on the SD card, then why the heck did I buy 3.5GB of internal memory?

Probably covered a hundred times somewhere, so rack it up to another New Owner Stupid Question. What's the best management practice for all this storage space....internal vs. external (SD Card)?

I was thinking, I was going to load CNNA on my internal memory + data there too, and save the SD slot for other changeable stuff.....24K topos or whatever.

The Wisdom from above, seems to imply putting everything on SD card.

Hhhmmmm........betwixed or befuddled.

Figured this time around (with Montana) it's time for me to stop driving my Cadillac like a Volkswagon. Please advise best way.

HF
Originally I put CNNA in main memory...then the first time I went to update CNNA it seemed to me to make sense just to put it on the SD.

I keep copies on HDD's of all the map .img's, BirdsEye, .kmz's and .gpx's. It makes it a snap to build an SD by simply putting the SD into the PC SD slot and copy the data needed from HDD to the SD. This is *way* faster than doing it through the unit. It can take hours to move data through the drip, drip USB to flash spigot of the floptana that will move directly from HDD to SD in ten or fifteen minutes...

Other users make good points about troubleshooting, etc. I haven't had a lot of difficulties like this but did just recently have a BirdsEye file that was puking the unit. Having them on SD helped in that I just deleted them all and recopied from HDD as above and even though it was 10GB it only took fifteen minutes of transfer time and five seconds of mine and then all was well!

32GB SD's are pretty cheap too.

I guess with the 3.5GB on the main unit we'll never run out of log space even at 1trackpoint/sec!
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:41 AM   #9326
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It's a shame that you can't find out about the feature limitations of Garmin's units prior to purchase. Their documentation is way too weak.
You imply that most other manufacture's of a consumer electronic devices go out of their way to publish a list of software (or even hardware) "bugs to avoid". I don' think so. I suppose if Garmin released a unit and never did software fixes and feature enhancements, you'd have a point.

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It would have been nice to hear more about the bugs and other deficiencies prior to purchase... but then again, they wouldn't have sold a unit!
I do take exception to the implication that you couldn't find information regarding any aspect of the Montana, good or bad, on this Forum. Asking is your responsibility if there was something you wanted to know.
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:53 AM   #9327
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If the smart way is to put everything (maps & data) on the SD card, then why the heck did I buy 3.5GB of internal memory?

Probably covered a hundred times somewhere, so rack it up to another New Owner Stupid Question. What's the best management practice for all this storage space....internal vs. external (SD Card)?

I was thinking, I was going to load CNNA on my internal memory + data there too, and save the SD slot for other changeable stuff.....24K topos or whatever.

The Wisdom from above, seems to imply putting everything on SD card.

Hhhmmmm........betwixed or befuddled.

Figured this time around (with Montana) it's time for me to stop driving my Cadillac like a Volkswagon. Please advise best way.

HF
Garmin originally did not support putting some of the user data on the SD Card. It was only through feedback from folks like us that they made the change.

As SteveAZ and others will point out the "best" practice is what every works for you. The internal storage provides plenty of space for saving your Track Log and Waypoints, Routes or Tracks you may want to recall while you are out on the road/trail. I simply suggest putting data YOU transfer to the unit on the µSD Card because of the potential to install BAD data. If you follow this practice you can avoid non-recoverable issues once you are out on the road.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:26 AM   #9328
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You imply that most other manufacture's of a consumer electronic devices go out of their way to publish a list of software (or even hardware) "bugs to avoid". I don' think so. I suppose if Garmin released a unit and never did software fixes and feature enhancements, you'd have a point.
I specifically said feature limitations. With most of the electronic devices I purchase I can find out feature details prior to purchase.


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I do take exception to the implication that you couldn't find information regarding any aspect of the Montana, good or bad, on this Forum. Asking is your responsibility if there was something you wanted to know.
I did ask questions here. I was very skeptical about the unit, especially baro vs. GPS elevation which were answered here very well and unfortunately helped sway me. Initially I thought it would be like the 60s/76s's that will only log baro altitude - had that been the case I would *not* have purchased it because that is a *very* important feature to me but you all straightened me out.

I'm not sure how I would have known to ask things like can you do "finds" from the map page (like *every* other of the dozens of consumer mapping units I've used) or can you have more than one via in an on-the-fly route, can you search "near a current route", do "finds" give a cardinal direction whether or not you are in motion, are "finds" limited to only the maps that are enabled, etc.

It never even occurred to me that these would be different than prior Garmins I've owned that had similar features. Knowing about those feature details which IMO *should* be documented would have likely also prevented me from purchasing the unit. Especially if I could see these feature details in other units that might have been appropriate for my needs.

But you've heard all this before!
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:31 AM   #9329
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..I simply suggest putting data YOU transfer to the unit on the µSD Card because of the potential to install BAD data. If you follow this practice you can avoid non-recoverable issues once you are out on the road.
Agreed. And if copied directly on a PC to the SD instead of through the GPS it's around an order of magnitude faster. One of those really nice things about the floptana is like DRTBYK mentions - you can put this large data on the removable SD. BTW, this is really good for BirdsEye too!
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:41 AM   #9330
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I specifically said feature limitations. With most of the electronic devices I purchase I can find out feature details prior to purchase.




I did ask questions here. I was very skeptical about the unit, especially baro vs. GPS elevation which were answered here very well and unfortunately helped sway me. Initially I thought it would be like the 60s/76s's that will only log baro altitude - had that been the case I would *not* have purchased it because that is a *very* important feature to me but you all straightened me out.

I'm not sure how I would have known to ask things like can you do "finds" from the map page (like *every* other of the dozens of consumer mapping units I've used) or can you have more than one via in an on-the-fly route, can you search "near a current route", do "finds" give a cardinal direction whether or not you are in motion, are "finds" limited to only the maps that are enabled, etc.

It never even occurred to me that these would be different than prior Garmins I've owned that had similar features. Knowing about those feature details which IMO *should* be documented would have likely also prevented me from purchasing the unit. Especially if I could see these feature details in other units that might have been appropriate for my needs.

But you've heard all this before!
So, I guess you've learned a very valuable lesson: when you go to purchase your next GPS make a list of those "very important to you" features and if the unit doesn't have them move on.

By the way, have you looked? Is there another unit that checks off all of those "must haves"?
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