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Old 06-02-2011, 02:11 PM   #46
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i like how you frame the debate in terms of iso range.

but can't you also get back some of that range with low f lenses?

For example- stick a Nokton 25mm f0.95 lens on a GH2 and you get perfectly usable night shots.

That Voigtlander/Nokton 25mm f/0.95 looks like an awesome lens. I'd love to have one but don't seem to be able to find many for sale for under about $1100. I think that's well above MSRP, although maybe I'm thinking back to when the dollar was worth more. Do you have one? If so, where did you find it? I'm definitely interested but would like to know a little more. The reviews I've read have been universally positive.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:06 PM   #47
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That Voigtlander/Nokton 25mm f/0.95 looks like an awesome lens. I'd love to have one but don't seem to be able to find many for sale for under about $1100. I think that's well above MSRP, although maybe I'm thinking back to when the dollar was worth more. Do you have one? If so, where did you find it? I'm definitely interested but would like to know a little more. The reviews I've read have been universally positive.
It's because Noktor folded.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:20 PM   #48
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I finally made my decision and went the mirrorless route with Sony Nex 5. Yeah it's no dslr but it's pretty close to those in the under 1000 bucks category. It was on sale and I got the wide angle lens for next to nothing as well. In the end I liked the size and convenience factor, and the Dslr's in that price range seemed kind of cheap and gimmicky. I'll get a Dslr when I can afford to get something a little higher on the totem pole.
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Old 06-10-2011, 06:00 AM   #49
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I finally made my decision and went the mirrorless route with Sony Nex 5. Yeah it's no dslr but it's pretty close to those in the under 1000 bucks category. It was on sale and I got the wide angle lens for next to nothing as well. In the end I liked the size and convenience factor, and the Dslr's in that price range seemed kind of cheap and gimmicky. I'll get a Dslr when I can afford to get something a little higher on the totem pole.
I'm not familiar with that camera. Does it use micro 4/3 format or lenses?
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Old 06-10-2011, 06:02 AM   #50
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It's because Noktor folded.
Really? I haven't been able to find anything about that. I inquired on one of the photo threads and was told that they just hadn't anticipated the demand and that the lenses do show up from time-to-time, but get snapped up quite fast when they do. I put myself on a notification list and will see how that goes.
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I'm not familiar with that camera. Does it use micro 4/3 format or lenses?
The NEX is a mirrorless mount that uses an APS-C sensor from Sony's line of DSLRs. The lenses are the Sony 'E-mount' and at this point are limited to a 16mm pancake, 18-55, and 18-200. Sony/Minolta SLR lenses can be used with an adapter.
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The NEX is a mirrorless mount that uses an APS-C sensor from Sony's line of DSLRs. The lenses are the Sony 'E-mount' and at this point are limited to a 16mm pancake, 18-55, and 18-200. Sony/Minolta SLR lenses can be used with an adapter.
So I take it that it's not a micro 4/3, but a different format altogether. What would be the advantages over, say, the Olympus or Panasonic micro 4/3ds? It sounds as though the camera is in the same price range as the m4/3ds.
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So I take it that it's not a micro 4/3, but a different format altogether. What would be the advantages over, say, the Olympus or Panasonic micro 4/3ds? It sounds as though the camera is in the same price range as the m4/3ds.
The sensors are a very slightly different size and shape, and the mounts aren't compatible, but they are very much in the same category. The Sony's are very slim, outside of that I don't know much about them.
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Really? I haven't been able to find anything about that. I inquired on one of the photo threads and was told that they just hadn't anticipated the demand and that the lenses do show up from time-to-time, but get snapped up quite fast when they do. I put myself on a notification list and will see how that goes.
Checked the google and they were bought by SLRmagic.
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Old 06-10-2011, 02:04 PM   #55
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Checked the google and they were bought by SLRmagic.
I did a bit of checking too and, while I'm not 100% sure of this, it appears that Noctor is a company that was bought by SLRmagic as you say, but that company had nothing whatever to do with the Voigtlander lenses. Those were designated as Nocton which is just a badge for fast lenses from the likes of Voigtlander and are still being made, just not fast enough to keep up with demand.
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The sensors are a very slightly different size and shape, and the mounts aren't compatible, but they are very much in the same category. The Sony's are very slim, outside of that I don't know much about them.
Hmmmmm, shades of Beta versus VHS, perhaps!
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Hmmmmm, shades of Beta versus VHS, perhaps!
Not quite. Samsung has their own mount as well. There are rampant rumors that Canon, Nikon and Pentax will enter the fray. It really isn't any different than the proprietary mounts the companies have had, and developed since the fifties, for their SLRs.
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Just went through the same quandry. My wife still shoots film and our digital point and shoot died. We were looking for a good quality 'pocket' camera for hiking, climbing, etc.. The sx95 and G11 were the front runners and the cost of those were up in the 4/3 area. I had been looking at them for awhile but the sales people at the camera shops in town kept saying they were a dying technology like the aps film cameras. We just bought the Olympus E-PL2, just delivered the other day and it is killing me because I have been on duty for 72hrs and can not wait to get home and play with the new toy (camera and hopefully a ktm adventure if the guy selling would call me back!). Going to get a pancake lens to make it easier to carry in the pocket or purse for those indoor family gatherings. The G3 was just announced also and there are several other new models being released. It is obviously not a format that is going to die, IMO.
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:11 PM   #59
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I finally made my decision and went the mirrorless route with Sony Nex 5. Yeah it's no dslr but it's pretty close to those in the under 1000 bucks category. It was on sale and I got the wide angle lens for next to nothing as well. In the end I liked the size and convenience factor, and the Dslr's in that price range seemed kind of cheap and gimmicky. I'll get a Dslr when I can afford to get something a little higher on the totem pole.
If you like the form factor of the NEX, & you were coming from a P&S background, IMO, you're going to love using it. It's got a pretty slick interface. I really like the context-sensitive controls--well thought out. Personally, I didn't end up with one myself (I ended up on the m4/3 platform), but I helped my buddy pick up one, & I spend a good bit of time using his...very enjoyable!
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Going to get a pancake lens to make it easier to carry in the pocket or purse for those indoor family gatherings.
What lens did your camera come with? I'm guessing the 14-42 m.zuiko which is a decent, versatile lens, but not as compact as a pancake by a stretch, even in the compressed "carry" mode. The two commonly available pancake lenses for m4/3 cameras seem to be the m.zuiko 17mm f/2.8, and the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7. The Olympus lens is less $ and maybe a millimeter or two 'shorter', but from the reviews I read they were really raving about the Pana lens, so that's the one I got. I've only had it a couple of weeks and haven't had a lot of opportunity to shoot with it, but preliminary impressions are very positive. If you're going to do indoor family gatherings, and not use a flash (I personally don't like most amateur flash pics), the extra speed of the 1.7 is a big plus.
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