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Old 06-28-2011, 01:22 AM   #91
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The regular pressure is 33psi (Dakar 40psi)
But 5500kīs sounds not so bad for a Knobbie...even with a visible white stripe in the midle after he worned out... (can be the natural rubber support layer,.. tread have different layers)

As you must know X-ply tyres "growing" during using. The faster you go the more the tyres have a peaked contoure ... Radial growing as well but not with a peak .. The "Belt" keep the tread flat... Have a look , E-10( 150/70B17) is belted ( even itīs still a crossply ) and have a smooth (should have ^^) and unfortunately fast wear ( looks like)


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please help me with the date of production...
I agree.... too soft.
If the DOT is "younger" then 35th week ( September ) 2010 (3510) ... then itīs a new problem to take care about.



E-07 is ( will ) be available in following sizes

110/80-19 E-07 57T TL/TT
150/70-17 E-07 70T TL/TT
150/70-18 E-07 70T TL/TT
OK.. so got the recommended pressure for the back tyre.. what about the front E07?

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Old 06-28-2011, 01:25 AM   #92
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33 as well ( may it looks hard) .. dont go below 29...
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:53 AM   #93
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great to see Mitas Oz and DE here, good info thanks. Im a big fan of Mitas on the Africa Twin. I run one set of wheels with E07's, love em for a universal tyre, dont find any dramas on wet tar but I am a woose in the wet.

On my other wheels I run an E09 dakar rear , love it, great on the dirt, OK on the tar and excellent wear. Like others Im not a fan of the e09 fronts, dont seem to offer much advantage to an e07. However Im a huge fan of the Trelleborg (made by Mitas) Army special front, great wear and grip and hugely stiff sidewalls for the big bike.

Im lucky, my local shop gets em in for me no dramas but buying direct was great and I think bears thinking about again for Mitas Oz ???
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:02 AM   #94
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:07 AM   #95
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Just wondering if the stoneking comes in a 140/18 and not just the 120/18?
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:24 AM   #96
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Just wondering if the stoneking comes in a 140/18 and not just the 120/18?
Where do you saw C-02 in 140/xx-18 ?

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Old 06-28-2011, 03:26 AM   #97
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Thanks Mitas.

I would say, in hind sight, that my problems would relate directly to pressure.

I was running 24psi in the E-09 around town (15 min commute) and dropping it to 18psi off road. Fitted on my DR650.

The long dirt trip I did with the second tyre was done with 24 psi the whole way. Sustained speeds above 100kph on a dry clay based crust that was wet underneath. We were leaving a dust cloud behind us and throwing mud rooster tails at the same time.

Currently I have a MotOz Tractionator on the DR on a DRZ 18inch rear wheel. Best_traction_ever! Chipping and chunking real bad. I think maybe 1000~1200kms and throw away. Traction costs money.

I'm fitting some Hiedi-thingys to my F800GS on Thursday - as I can't get the 150 sizes in the Mitas locally. Inquiries have gone unanswered. BMW got straight back to me with a competitive price on the Heidi-thingys.

The local dealer sold me both the 3308 stamped tyres, one in the middle of 2009, and the other in the middle of 2010, if that tells you anything.


I love the C-02s. When it comes to rocky mountain tracks they are un-killable. Never had a flat with a Mitas tyre. Never had one with any other brand either....but hey....I didn't try to put them through some of what the C-02s did because I didn't think they could take it.

Trying to dodge a cyclist who was on the wrong side of the tar road mid corner saw me pull the best ever speedway style slide I've ever done, and I stayed on. Even made a Hollywood "screeeech".

Scared the crap out of me for a second though. Which was why I went to the E-09.

Worn them edge to edge and I think they handle on tar as well as, or better than, the Dunlop 606s I've had. They hook up about the same off road too. Same price where I buy them. They are the obvious choice. I did the 7000km with the E-09 under the same conditions and pressures that got 3500kms out of a 606.

Thanks for the time to reply, hope the feedback helps.

I'll be watching for the 150 sizes.
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:37 AM   #98
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Earlier you said people bought the tyres direct, but then 1/2 were fitted by dealers anyway. Now you don't sell direct, & admit that most of your dealers don't carry stock. I guess the dealers didn't have much incentive to stock Mitas when they were so easy for customers to buy direct (?).
Tough for you to find the right balance...
One good dealer that supports our tyres, stocks them, recommends them and sells them can eclipse all of our online sales. It's that clear. MOST riders don't buy tyres on the internet, MOST of them go into a dealer and ask for recommendations. However, if that one good dealer gets a couple of jokers go in and ask him to fit tyres they bought online (you might be surprised how many 'hardcore' online tyre buyers don't actually want to get their hands dirty), that dealer suddenly has a very different opinion of the distributor. You really don't want to be on the receiving end of those calls.

We have confidence in Mitas tyres and we reckon that GOOD dealers will figure out that we have something worth selling. Since we decided to support them 100%, we have probably doubled the number of dealers that place regular orders and sales have increased accordingly.

Another point to understand is that dealers earn their money. When you retail, you get guys complaining that they broke knobs off or 'this tyre is crap I want a refund'. Basically, somebody has to try and steer the buyer on to the right product for their bike/style/budget or they will throw it in your face and want their money back. We simply don't have the experience and resources to offer the right advice to every rider on every bike on every terrain, then hold their hand through the decision process. That's where the dealers step in - they (should) know your bike and your style and the trail you want to go hard on, and if you are going to throw your tyre in anyone's face it will be theirs. We love them.

I know it's not what you guys want to hear, and I understand your frustration, but we've tried both ways and its pretty clear what works.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:02 AM   #99
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thx 4 ur reply ...Snowy ...

itīs always helpful to get feedback

btw... chipping and chunking is a question of a bad compound . If you can put parts off the tread by your fingers which looking like leaves ,...something is wrong .

May you can link a pic to have a quick look on it .

The C-02 is really I heard wearing tire ... and resistant against punctures ... You will be surprised what the C-20/C-21 combi is able to do better. ( max. 120/90-18)

Or ... in 130/140 .... we got F.I.M. - hard terrain "specialist" ( EF-07) up to 170km/h.

As you see our range is wide ... we havenīt the "one - fitīs - all" ( even we try to have...

A journalist said to me after he was using an XT-754 : "I had a hell of a grip in the sand , good riding property on the road , ... but somehow I feel that the tyre is about to destroy his self on the rocky ground"

I saw the pictures and I found some small damages ...

( ...btw... XT-754 is designed for soft terrain)

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you right and It looks like there is the same problem in Australia like in the R.O.W.

Good technical advice is a question of a good educated dealer who wantīs to see you satisfied with your choice. Itīs not always helpful to follow customers demand when he is wrong with his decision.

Thereīs an old saw in germany :
"Who buy cheap will buy twice "
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:05 AM   #100
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Very valid points.

I know that any tyre problems I've had are my fault.

Wrong tyre for what I want to do, or wrong pressures.

Advice on pressures is like asking advice on types of tyres. I've been given all sorts of advice that ranges from utterly unbelievable, to utterly stupid. Usually the bike shop has a staff member that I've never seen there before and he'll take you to the tyre shed and start explaining what you need based solely on the type of bike you ride.

Here is my DR650



I can try to explain it to people, and they just don't get it. Everyone has an opinion. Usually it's "DRs are not a trail bike" My reply - "Your DR is not a trail bike".

So tyre selection becomes an issue. I want XR650R tyres in 17 inch. Very limited choice. I'm trying the better rated 18inch tyres. Mixed results.

Best way to figure it out is to run them and see what works. Asking for opinions on a forum such as this is frustrating. You get everything from semi accurate to "shot gun shack crazy". You figure out which is which.

I've figured that everyone telling me I had to lower my pressures to 14~18psi in the bush was crap. I've tried running lots of different pressures and pushing hard sees the higher pressures win out. Even with pressures in the mid 20s off road, I have the tyre leaving rubber all over the sides of the rim. They all hook up and give better traction at higher pressures. I didn't think you could go as high as Mitas recommends though. Very interesting.

I've brought my road pressures down 4psi from recommended with the F800GS's Scorpion Trails, because they are suffering "cold tearing" on the morning commute (Canberra). A good mate with road racing titles diagnosed this. Dropped 4 psi and they have settled down and feel much better mid corner. Especially when cold.

Unfortunately, the internet doesn't let you sift through the tyre racks and compare 2 different brands side by side. Once you've made that comparison, you can order to your hearts content.

But I like to browse the tyre shop. I just don't like the fact that I pay $130 for a tyre I can buy online for $50. Same tyre, same place of manufacture (Indonesia - Dunlop D606).

I pay it. But I don't like it. Somewhere, someone is making a shitload of money for jam. If the Yanks can make money at $50, and our dollar is higher, WTF is going on?
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Thereīs an old saw in germany :
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There's a new saying in my house
"Who buy $250 tyre and get 1500ks wont buy twice"
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Best way to figure it out is to run them and see what works
unfortunately .... yes ...

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May you can link a pic to have a quick look on it .
My son has taken my link cable for the camera so I can;t do pictures right now, but the principle reason for the chipping and chunking is that the MotOz tyres I bought are made for softer terrain.

Unfortunately, part of the area I ride is all rock. Some is soft loam. Some is loose gravel. Some is sand. Basically, a combination ofe everything you'd find anywhere here in Australia once you start climbing in and out of the mountains and plains.

The Tractionator is an awesome gripping tyre compared to everything I've used to date, but the weight/speed/terrain combination is seeing them damaging faster than they are wearing.

They are a natural rubber tyre. No polymers and stuff, I believe. This would explain the chipping and chunking.


There is, unfortunately, no "all round" tyre that excels at everything.

It's all about how much compromise you are prepared to live with.
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Very valid points.

I know that any tyre problems I've had are my fault.

Wrong tyre for what I want to do, or wrong pressures.

Advice on pressures is like asking advice on types of tyres. I've been given all sorts of advice that ranges from utterly unbelievable, to utterly stupid. Usually the bike shop has a staff member that I've never seen there before and he'll take you to the tyre shed and start explaining what you need based solely on the type of bike you ride.

Here is my DR650



I can try to explain it to people, and they just don't get it. Everyone has an opinion. Usually it's "DRs are not a trail bike" My reply - "Your DR is not a trail bike".

So tyre selection becomes an issue. I want XR650R tyres in 17 inch. Very limited choice. I'm trying the better rated 18inch tyres. Mixed results.

Best way to figure it out is to run them and see what works. Asking for opinions on a forum such as this is frustrating. You get everything from semi accurate to "shot gun shack crazy". You figure out which is which.

I've figured that everyone telling me I had to lower my pressures to 14~18psi in the bush was crap. I've tried running lots of different pressures and pushing hard sees the higher pressures win out. Even with pressures in the mid 20s off road, I have the tyre leaving rubber all over the sides of the rim. They all hook up and give better traction at higher pressures. I didn't think you could go as high as Mitas recommends though. Very interesting.

I've brought my road pressures down 4psi from recommended with the F800GS's Scorpion Trails, because they are suffering "cold tearing" on the morning commute (Canberra). A good mate with road racing titles diagnosed this. Dropped 4 psi and they have settled down and feel much better mid corner. Especially when cold.

Unfortunately, the internet doesn't let you sift through the tyre racks and compare 2 different brands side by side. Once you've made that comparison, you can order to your hearts content.

But I like to browse the tyre shop. I just don't like the fact that I pay $130 for a tyre I can buy online for $50. Same tyre, same place of manufacture (Indonesia - Dunlop D606).

I pay it. But I don't like it. Somewhere, someone is making a shitload of money for jam. If the Yanks can make money at $50, and our dollar is higher, WTF is going on?
My 606's are made in Japan.

The Michy HP4's are made in Thailand. Both are great tyres costing $80 delivered to my door via the internet.

When the time comes that I have to pay $140 for a rear, I will be going back to the E09. Long lasting and not as much grip as the 606 which means plenty of powersliding fun without thinking about the wallet
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... maybe you right

It canīt be wrong to show the tire sbd else( who is educated) to have a second opinion.

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It's all about how much compromise you are prepared to live with.
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