Scotts Steering Damper Mounts.

The Misinformant · 02-04-2011, 11:36 PM

Has anyone mounted a Scotts/Ohlins SUB mount to a bike that has PDHS handle bar mount system?

Also how hard is it to make a mount system to the original triple and handle bar mounts as Scotts does not have a fitting kit for my bike.

The Misinformant · 02-06-2011, 02:33 PM

Well it looks like I have an orphan project again.

Why can't I just buy what everyone else has?

B-Rod · 02-06-2011, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Misinformant

Well it looks like I have an orphan project again.

Why can't I just buy what everyone else has?

It would help if we knew what bike you actually have.

big adv · 02-06-2011, 05:05 PM

If it for your 640, try this

The Misinformant · 02-06-2011, 06:00 PM

Ah brain fart again.

Its to go on a BMW G450X.

AWM · 02-06-2011, 06:39 PM

Click thumbnails for larger view.

GPR Stabilizer introduces the first steering damper kit for the new BMW 450 Enduro.
This kit features GPR Stabilizer's patented under-bar mounting system with the GPRV4 steering damper and post mount. This is a complete kit with all the necessary hardware and retails for $495.00 Buy direct from the website or call GPR Stabilizer at 619-661-0101.

More Recent Releases++

www.gprstabilizer.com

The Misinformant · 02-06-2011, 07:53 PM

Yep I know of the GPR Damper but I dont see how the PDHS handle bar mounts would work with it as they mount to the upper tripple providing the vibration absortion.

I need a mount that does not becone the handle bar mount as a part of the dampers mounting system.

They look like these.

Anybody here got a picture of the Scotts mount with the PDHS on the KTM Rallye bikes at all?

LukasM · 02-07-2011, 02:42 AM

Hey Scott,

I've looked into this a bit so maybe I can give you some info. The Stenhouse LC4 mount will not necessarily work, even if it bolts on.

The critical thing with mounting the damper is to get the pivot point of the link arm exactly over the center of the steering stem (+- 1mm or so). Since triple clamps have different offset etc built into them, not all fitments are the same. To check forward/rearward placement I would therefore measure the distance between a.) a straight line drawn left to right through the handlebar clamp mounting holes in the triple and b.) the center of the steering stem. Then compare that number to the distance between handlebar and damper mounting holes on the submount.

A crude picture but this should give you an idea:

As an example, the above pic is a submount for a stock EXC clamp, and it doesn't work on my SXS clamps (made for KTM by X-Trig, same company that does PHDS) as the handlebar holes place it either too far forward or back. Of course the fact that they are adjustable in offset by 3mm makes things even more complicated, as it means that you either can only use one position or get a submount that is off by 1.5mm in either setting.

The damper tower that actuates the link arm is 35mm away from the stem on most applications, but Scotts also offers shorter and longer arms (IIRC in 5mm intervals). If GPR makes a bolt-on tower it's likely that you could make it work as the slot in the link arm also allow gives you +-2mm to work with and the height of the pin should also be adjustable. Otherwise you can always go with a weld-on tower, they are a bit cheaper as well.

The PHDS clamps are also not all the same. On the bottom, the recessed part between the two locating flanges has different widths depending on the model (ie Honda PHDS won't fit a KTM triple). I have a set of KTM PHDS I can measure if that helps. If they don't fit of course machining is an option, like the relief Javahead milled in his:

If there is no off the shelf submount for your bike you could get in touch with Pete and the guys at PT-Enduro. They have done some custom stuff for other rally guys, like these really nice clamps for Indo and Jaybo (note the reliefs for the PHDS clamps):

Cheers,
Lukas

SCQTT · 02-07-2011, 09:49 AM

I really want to put a Scott's on my new G450X too.

Might just have to get the GPR....I connot imagine anyone would do the R&D on a mount for a bike that is such a white elephant.

The GPR looks good....but I would rather have the Scotts.

LukasM · 02-07-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by B-Rod

Stenhouse made the sub mount specifically for the 640 ADV using the stack 640 triples, so I'm pretty sure it is centered over the stem. A quick email to Colin would have it sorted out in a jiffy.

Sad to say that PT Enduro is no more. I was looking for sub mount riser for the 525, and I first checked there, as I knew they had some slightly higher risers for Rally bikes, but alas, they have shut down. Renazco was saying he may have some made up sometime in the near future.

Lukas, when are you going to start the build thread on your RFS??

Yeah, I just mentioned it because I knew that the OP has a BMW 450.

Build thread starting soon, have most of the parts here and the engine is arriving next week. Now helping a friend get set up with a big blasting cabinet and baking oven so we can powdercoat bigger stuff. My frame and swingarm will go first.

B-Rod · 02-07-2011, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukasM

Yeah, I just mentioned it because I knew that the OP has a BMW 450.

Build thread starting soon, have most of the parts here and the engine is arriving next week. Now helping a friend get set up with a big blasting cabinet and baking oven so we can powdercoat bigger stuff. My frame and swingarm will go first.

Woops, I should read better. I could have sworn it was for a 640.

KTM 10/4 · 05-30-2011, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Misinformant

Has anyone mounted a Scotts/Ohlins SUB mount to a bike that has PDHS handle bar mount system?

Also how hard is it to make a mount system to the original triple and handle bar mounts as Scotts does not have a fitting kit for my bike.

Hi i am busy to make up a pedistal with a tower to fit with the Scotts damper on a KTM 950/990. I will post pics soon.

KTM 10/4 · 05-30-2011, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Misinformant

Has anyone mounted a Scotts/Ohlins SUB mount to a bike that has PDHS handle bar mount system?
Here is the pics of the cradle and tower that i made up for KTM 950/990 with Scott steeringdamper.

Also how hard is it to make a mount system to the original triple and handle bar mounts as Scotts does not have a fitting kit for my bike.

Here is the pics of the cradle an tower that I made up for KTM 950/990 with the Scott steeringdamper.

KTM 10/4 · 05-30-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KTM 10/4

Here is the pics of the cradle an tower that I made up for KTM 950/990 with the Scott steeringdamper.

Here is a nather pic with the damper mounted.

02-04-2011, 11:36 PM	#1
The Misinformant ^OP What road? Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Adelaide, Australia Oddometer: 348	Scotts Steering Damper Mounts. Has anyone mounted a Scotts/Ohlins SUB mount to a bike that has PDHS handle bar mount system? Also how hard is it to make a mount system to the original triple and handle bar mounts as Scotts does not have a fitting kit for my bike.

02-06-2011, 05:05 PM	#4
big adv I need supervision Joined: May 2007 Location: Kelowna, BC. CND Oddometer: 1,050	If it for your 640, try this __________________ BA My dad's a TV repair man, he has an awsome set of tools. We can fix that!

02-06-2011, 06:39 PM	#6
AWM Beard Bros Racing Joined: Mar 2007 Location: Your Mom's house Oddometer: 10,158	Click thumbnails for larger view. GPR Stabilizer introduces the first steering damper kit for the new BMW 450 Enduro. This kit features GPR Stabilizer's patented under-bar mounting system with the GPRV4 steering damper and post mount. This is a complete kit with all the necessary hardware and retails for $495.00 Buy direct from the website or call GPR Stabilizer at 619-661-0101. More Recent Releases++ www.gprstabilizer.com __________________ "Hes not called the Angry White Man for nothing,much more fitting then the,Unicorn Clouds and Happy Trees Man".... UpST8 "If you french fry when you shoulda pizza'd,your gona have a bad time".

02-07-2011, 02:42 AM	#8
LukasM Beastly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Vienna, Austria Oddometer: 4,911	Hey Scott, I've looked into this a bit so maybe I can give you some info. The Stenhouse LC4 mount will not necessarily work, even if it bolts on. The critical thing with mounting the damper is to get the pivot point of the link arm exactly over the center of the steering stem (+- 1mm or so). Since triple clamps have different offset etc built into them, not all fitments are the same. To check forward/rearward placement I would therefore measure the distance between a.) a straight line drawn left to right through the handlebar clamp mounting holes in the triple and b.) the center of the steering stem. Then compare that number to the distance between handlebar and damper mounting holes on the submount. A crude picture but this should give you an idea: As an example, the above pic is a submount for a stock EXC clamp, and it doesn't work on my SXS clamps (made for KTM by X-Trig, same company that does PHDS) as the handlebar holes place it either too far forward or back. Of course the fact that they are adjustable in offset by 3mm makes things even more complicated, as it means that you either can only use one position or get a submount that is off by 1.5mm in either setting. The damper tower that actuates the link arm is 35mm away from the stem on most applications, but Scotts also offers shorter and longer arms (IIRC in 5mm intervals). If GPR makes a bolt-on tower it's likely that you could make it work as the slot in the link arm also allow gives you +-2mm to work with and the height of the pin should also be adjustable. Otherwise you can always go with a weld-on tower, they are a bit cheaper as well. The PHDS clamps are also not all the same. On the bottom, the recessed part between the two locating flanges has different widths depending on the model (ie Honda PHDS won't fit a KTM triple). I have a set of KTM PHDS I can measure if that helps. If they don't fit of course machining is an option, like the relief Javahead milled in his: If there is no off the shelf submount for your bike you could get in touch with Pete and the guys at PT-Enduro. They have done some custom stuff for other rally guys, like these really nice clamps for Indo and Jaybo (note the reliefs for the PHDS clamps): Cheers, Lukas __________________ Proud member of the HUSABERG ADVENTURE TEAM! '12 Husaberg FE570, 09 KTM XC-F/ 450 RFS hybrid, 07 KTM 450 SMR, 08+09 BMW F650GS twins/F800GS conversion, 03+05 YZF-R6

02-07-2011, 09:49 AM	#9
SCQTT Zwei Kolben Joined: May 2005 Location: Mike's Sky Rancho Oddometer: 4,956	I really want to put a Scott's on my new G450X too. Might just have to get the GPR....I connot imagine anyone would do the R&D on a mount for a bike that is such a white elephant. The GPR looks good....but I would rather have the Scotts. __________________ This is SPARTA!

02-06-2011, 02:33 PM	#2
The Misinformant ^OP What road? Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Adelaide, Australia Oddometer: 348	Well it looks like I have an orphan project again. Why can't I just buy what everyone else has?

02-06-2011, 06:00 PM	#5
The Misinformant ^OP What road? Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Adelaide, Australia Oddometer: 348	Ah brain fart again. Its to go on a BMW G450X.

02-06-2011, 07:53 PM	#7
The Misinformant ^OP What road? Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Adelaide, Australia Oddometer: 348	Yep I know of the GPR Damper but I dont see how the PDHS handle bar mounts would work with it as they mount to the upper tripple providing the vibration absortion. I need a mount that does not becone the handle bar mount as a part of the dampers mounting system. They look like these. Anybody here got a picture of the Scotts mount with the PDHS on the KTM Rallye bikes at all?

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