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Old 11-21-2012, 08:22 AM   #1411
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Working now.

I love this app, been showing it to all that will listen. So nice being able to see the larger screen of a smartphone (using the mil spec Rugby Smart). Hold phone to Ram mount with heavy duty velcro and got stick on (automotive-grade adhesive) loop to attach a tether (dang phone doesn't have one). Hard wired a fused 12V outlet for the branded higher amp charger. All stuff I learned right here, cept maybe the tether loop I found myself.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:26 PM   #1412
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NHBill,

The Galaxy Note II is great no problems. The screen size and S-Pen actually allows me to get some work done while on the go.
With its processing power it is truly a "smart phone".

Here is a good summary of the good and bad:

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/02...note-2-review/

I have not used it with DSM while riding yet but I am looking forward to.

I have the alarm set in the morning to read me the time, weather, day's appointment and top news stories. When I am ready to leave the house it tells me estimated time to the office and any accidents to avoid. With continued use it gets smarter, Its actually kinda creepy.


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Old 11-22-2012, 06:34 AM   #1413
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Dropped Tracks

Thanks NHBill,

I appreciate the suggestions.

Yes, Google is well suited for just motoring about.

However I was operating within network access range and still SOME of the tracks dropped. I couldn't figure why just certain ones, other than I think they were the last ones added.

And after re-entering them, the same ones would drop after some time passed. Initially, I could leave DualSportMaps.Com and come back and all would be well. But when I downloaded the maps to my 4.03 android phone, the same ones again were gone and when I went back to DualSportMaps.Com there were no longer there either!!

I've never had this happen with tracks I've made for actual trail riding though. So the low track point count might be relevant.

Very perplexing. Suspect Crafty could figure it out quickly as he so often does. His code seems very solid and I've had few problems. At $20, his app is one of most incredible bargains around. While expensive by phone app standards, it may be priced way too LOW in comparison to existing Garmin-Type solutions. Better get it before that ever gets corrected!!

But I just wish that remote was available and/or he would start selling kits for his Lightning Bug & arduino USB host boards.

However, I suspect he is very busy these days with the various projects he is involved with.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:18 PM   #1414
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I saw this and thought you could use it as a controller.....very cool.

http://makeymakey.com/
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:12 PM   #1415
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Hey guys, happy thanksgiving. Expect some server maintenance in the very near future. I just setup some brand new hardware and will be moving the website and app to it soon. I am going to put up an appeal for donations for the website once the new hardware is online. The website has been a little flaky lately and a hardware refresh was in order. We have some shiny new stuff in the rack and it's looking very nice. I've been working on it hard the last 3 days (with holidays comes time to work on this stuff) and I just got the last hurdle jumped. I will perform my due diligence and flip the switch sometime next week. Thanks for your support!

NickJensen:
I believe the issue is exactly what you think it is. I am using some trickery when I render the tracks and only display a track on the page if either end of it is on the screen OR if both ends are off the screen some fixed distance and the track would cross the screen. This works great except for tracks that have low track counts. As you zoom in the tracks are likely to disappear. I do this because rendering was slow in earlier revisions and this was the best strategy I came up with to balance speed and availability. I figured if the track was so course that it wasn't visible using the rules I chose then it wasn't that necessary as it would be VERY straight. If a turn were to show up the track would appear again.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:38 PM   #1416
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I'm not zoomed in that close. Both endpoints of the short streets are well within the display window. And they don't get downloaded to the phone and can never be seen again at any zoom level on either the PC or the phone. Somehow they become forever transparent or lost.

Welcome Back!

Any chance you'll sell kits or schematics for your "Lightning Bug" low current instrument? Also, the same for your micro arduino USB host?
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:48 PM   #1417
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Hmm, well I am a little confused them. You've uploaded or drawn the map on the website then? Can you verify you are logged in on both the website and the app and then post up the link to the map from the website so I can verify that it doesn't work on my phone as well. I've never had an issue with a map on the website not coming to my phone unless I forgot to put my credentials into the app.

I recently ordered some new parts for the lightning bug, I'm going to dump the BNC and go with more traditional Banana jacks. I also have to decide how I want to power the bug. It currently requires two cells to run which is a little inconvenient. I may switch some parts for a lower voltage requirement.... Once that is done we will get that online. The current schematic is linked on the youtube movie but I hope to make these a little more convenient to use before I go into production.

The Mini USB host should be available soon from an online vendor soon. I'll post up more details when they are available. I made a deal with a guy to build and sell them for me.

I've got other moto gizmos in the pipeline as well. Next year should be fun!

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I'm not zoomed in that close. Both endpoints of the short streets are well within the display window. And they don't get downloaded to the phone and can never be seen again at any zoom level on either the PC or the phone. Somehow they become forever transparent or lost.

Welcome Back!

Any chance you'll sell kits or schematics for your "Lightning Bug" low current instrument? Also, the same for your micro arduino USB host?
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:11 PM   #1418
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I believe the tracks were dropped on the website. The map I received on the phone did match the website. Both showed the missing tracks.

But I can't tell you what caused them to disappear from the website. After I reentered them, I left the site and came back a couple of times in an attempt to discover what actions were related to the tracks being dropped. Then when I saw that my phone had missing tracks I went back to the website, and they were missing there also.

I'm not understanding "post up the link to the map from the website". It is a private map "Yellow Book Route" under my "NickJensen" login. But I'm not sure that will be much help as that map looks ok except for the fact that I had about 10-20 other streets (tracks) on the map before they were lost. I re-entered them at least three times, they looked good for a while but something I did, or the code did, eventually caused them to be lost. I was very careful to click the track save button after each definition. It is probably relevant that the same streets keep getting lost. I tried to find a universal map save action button as I was thinking that maybe there was another save operation I needed to be doing but found nothing other than the track save mechanism.

If this is only happening with my short tracks it probably isn't worth tracking down. Virtually any real trail riding usage won't have such tracks. I only brought it up because it might have wider applicability and therefore worthy of fixing. Might just be something to be on watch for going forward.

Great news on the new products. I've watched a lot of your engineering videos and your FreeSideAtlanta presentations. You've really come a LONG ways in a very short time. Some very good stuff. Great to see you're going to get those achievements to market!

Have you considered making a voice activated remote control for the app and forgoing the USB control box? I don't know enough about the Android programming interface to know how difficult that might be. But the voice to text ability of Android is absolutely amazing. I suspect that if you had a good programming interface and if it worked fast enough, it might be the ideal control interface. I think that I read somewhere recently that Android no longer has to be connected online to Google for the voice to text to work.

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Old 11-25-2012, 06:12 AM   #1419
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I believe the magic number for minimum track points is 3 if you want the website to save them. This is a limitation of the Google Maps engine the website uses. Less than the magic number and weird stuff happens. I hard set this number based on trial and error. Again, I never considered this a major hurdle because a two or three point track is easy enough to remember I figured. Just add more points to the simple track before you save it and then the tracks will stick around.

There are lots of these little "gotchas" is software that go mainly undocumented because they seem to the dev to be rare use cases. Sorry it stung you a few times. It's something I do not intend to fix but you can work around it easily by adding more points I believe.

If the mini USB host board really becomes for sale, I'll design a remote control daughter board for it and let you make your own remote. I am also thinking about completely new design with no joystick but instead silicone buttons like a TV remote control. That would be easy to waterproof and get the cost way down. That seems like a winner to me.

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First off, let me say I love this app! Plus I keep dreaming of the day when Crafty just sells the pieces to his remote so we can put it in whatever enclosure we can find! WE NEED THAT AWESOME TOY YESTERDAY!

Anyway, I volunteered to deliver Yellow Phone Books for my son's baseball team to raise some bucks. So I used DualSportMaps on my PC to lay down the streets that I needed to drive. Most tracks were just two points indicating the start and end of the street. However, I kept having tracks disappear. I tried reentering them and they'd show up as I moved about zooming in and out. But after some random amount of time, the ones that I RE-ADDED would disappear again.

When downloading to my phone the map also came down with those tracks dropped.

I only have about 25 tracks defined and they only use a few points per track. Haven't got a clue why some are getting dropped.

Maybe that is just what I rightfully get for trying to use this cool app for something unintended!

Thanks Crafty!

Nick Jensen - Login: NickJensen Troubled Map: Yellow Book Route
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:25 PM   #1420
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That was it!! All lost tracks were just two points!

Yup. A non-problem for all real trail/road tracks. Sorry to bother you with it.

The sealed keyboard sounds like a good solution. Cheap, effective, waterproof and probably not much larger.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:47 PM   #1421
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Can anyone recommend an android phone that has a brighter display than the galaxy s3? Even cranked on full brightness its really hard to make out the maps in this Arizona sun. Thanks!
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:07 PM   #1422
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That was it!! All lost tracks were just two points!

Yup. A non-problem for all real trail/road tracks. Sorry to bother you with it.

The sealed keyboard sounds like a good solution. Cheap, effective, waterproof and probably not much larger.


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Old 11-28-2012, 11:50 AM   #1423
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I recently got a microSD card and now have all data saved to the sd card but for some reason the app is no longer able to load the googlemaps satellite view. All I get is black and white tiles, all of the other base map options work, what gives?
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:12 PM   #1424
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I recently got a microSD card and now have all data saved to the sd card but for some reason the app is no longer able to load the googlemaps satellite view. All I get is black and white tiles, all of the other base map options work, what gives?
You need to tell the app where to store tiles in the Settings->General->Storage Directory

I assume that with the addition of the sdcard stuff got messed up.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:34 PM   #1425
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app update 0.2.21

It was just brought to my attention this afternoon that the offline maps repository was empty. I've pushed an "emergency" update with links to the offline maps. These are on my own server so we can feel confident that they will not disappear again. Sorry gang.

I've also heard that Satellite imagery is wonky. I cannot reproduce this is this a general issue or is it just affecting certain users?
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