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Old 06-14-2011, 08:57 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by LostHighway View Post
Great photos... I'm headed down there in September. Any chance you can post a Google map of your route?

At your request I marked up this map photo with all of the roads I've ridden. I'll try to explain the markings below.

The red lines show the main roads. The highway 67 runs from Jacob Lake and the 89A (not shown) south to the North Rim Lodge Area. The red line running east
of here leads off the map to Cape Royal/Angel's Window and other viewpoints. Point Imperial on the right side of the map is the highest viewpoint in the entire park.
The red line running northwest from De Motte is the 22 or West Side Road or Ryan Road. It is gravel for the first 23 miles or so then becomes paved all the way
to Fredonia.

The light yellow line just north of the North Rim is Point Sublime Trail. To get to the start of this trail turn off the 67 at the Widforss Trail Signs. The sign for Point
Sublime is about a half mile down the road just after the Widforss Trailhead. The sign said 18 miles to Point Sublime, but I started a trip odometer at the highway
and got to the end of the trail at 17.0 miles. If we had ridden another mile it would have been mostly down... Staight down.

We left Point Sublime Road north at the T intersection. The route taken was the 268B, 268, 223, 609, 206, 22. You could take several routes out when you get to
the 223. This "backway" in can often be taken when the main road is closed. Some use this route to avoid park entrance fees. I have an $80 annual park pass and
definitely get my money's worth each year. This trail is not on Bing or Google Maps at all making it difficult to create such a map for this trip.

The light purple line on the west side is the 425 out to Crazy Jug's Point. This is a worthwhile point to visit because it requires no hike to reach. In fact your bike
can reach the point itself. I've ridden to Monument Point and Parrissawampitts Point, but both require a hike from the end of the road that is longer than the name.

Crazy Jugs Point, 2009

The pink line on the top left is the roughest road I've ridden in the area. It is known as the Burma Road or portions of it are the East Side Game Trail and FS 213 &
220. It's fun, but not all that scenic IMHO. It's one of the only roads I've found on the Kaibab Plateau with any challenge, so if you prefer that sort of riding...

The yellow lines on the east side lead to some great camping spots with nice views off the Plateau looking east towards Marble Canyon. The views are better in
the afternoon since you'll be looking into the sun in the morning. This is a great spot to grab a camping spot when arriving in the area late.

If you follow the yellow line, the 610, southeast I think it's about 13 miles out to Saddle Mountain Trailhead. The end of the road has several nice camping spots at
an elevation of 8200'. You are in the National Forest here, but right on the border of the park. Point Imperial is only 1.5 miles away as the crow flies, but over 30
miles by road. A hiking trail follows the rim, so you could just walk right into the park here.

As you can see there are lot's of other trails and viewpoints I have yet to explore. I will be back! I definitely want to camp/hike again at Saddle Mountain Trailhead and camp
at Crazy Jugs someday. Point Sublime is the most spectacular view from the North Rim made even more special by the rough trail and lack of tourists, so if it's open ride it.
If you can, camp there.

I've never camped at the North Rim Campground. It is always full and requires reservations usually months in advance. Point Sublime is the only place I've ever paid
to camp at up here.

Fuel is available at Marble Canyon, Jacob's Lake and Fredonia. There are also fuel stations at De Motte and the North Rim Village, but they currently only sell 87 octane.
Fuel prices in the area are high.

Unlike other FS roads in Arizona National Forests, these well-maintained gravel roads have very little traffic. It is simply to far away for most Phoenicians. Most people
I know in Phoenix have never visited the North Rim. Shhhh! Don't tell them about it.

Here is a photo of the Benchmark Maps of the area. The difficulty I had finding my friend's campsite had to do with the lack of detail and trail numbers on this map.
(The DeLorme Atlas is much better here, but I left mine at home.)

Now back to my favorite area... TOROWEAP!

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Old 06-14-2011, 09:46 PM   #47
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Toroweap Overlook

Matthew gets a shot of rafters about to enter Lava Falls.
Lava Falls is one of the roughest sections of The Colorado River with a 37' drop.

We spend a couple hours near the overlook visiting with our friends.

The kids love running around on the boulders.

Matthew sets his mom's camera down to play with the DSLR...

Matthew watches a couple riders from Montana. One pulled a big wheelie for him.
Our friends leave in their Dodge Power Wagon.

The boys from Montana. (I forgot their names.) I'm not sure they are on advrider.



It was a hot day. We ride back up to the campsite to cool off and cook dinner.

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Old 06-14-2011, 10:12 PM   #48
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Toroweap Overlook

We are preparing to walk back down to the overlook when I ask Matt, "Where is your mom's camera"?
Of course, he was sure he brought it back to the campsite, but it's nowhere to be found.
I know it must be still sitting on the rock down at the overlook...

Matthew shoots a few on the walk back down to the overlook.

We meet the ranger Todd walking the other way on the road. He asks, "Did you guys lose a camera"?
Other campers had found it sitting on the rock.

Photographing a photographer hard at work.

A spectacular day began with a sun star at Point Sublime and ends with another at Toroweap.
Does a day get any better?

After sunset we go trail blazing and find there are numerous other great views away from the official overlook.

This is my third trip out to Toroweap. The light and my pics, were much nicer last year.

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Old 06-14-2011, 10:20 PM   #49
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An Evening at Toroweap Campground

Cloudless skies may make for a boring sunset, but when the moon sets...

The stars come out to play.

The ranger had stacked a bunch of free firewood at each campsite.
Campers were encouraged to burn it before fire restrictions start.

Milky Way

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Old 06-14-2011, 10:39 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by dave6253 View Post

Great photos and great opportunity to enjoy the company of your son!
Whenever we are riding, we are an ambassador to our sport

I'd rather be riding!

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Old 06-14-2011, 11:50 PM   #51
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Thank you so much for sharing this. I wrote all the names of places down. So maybe I can visit some of them on our next trip.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:38 AM   #52
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Awesome, just Awesome

Best RR I have seen in a while. This is why I just love motorcycles. Can't wait until my daughter gets a bit older to take her out and show her the world.

Fantastic pictures. Professional quality and great color/composition.

Hope the two of you had a great time!
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:48 AM   #53
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WOW, again you raise the bar for RR. Loving that
camping spot under the bluff.

Sooooo is Matthew getting his own KTM for xmas?
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Old 06-15-2011, 10:52 AM   #54
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Gosh, Dave, you make camping look like even I might enjoy it!!!

Thanks for all your efforts- truly great work.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:51 PM   #55
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Great RR! I'm hoping to ride out to AZ in October to visit my brother in Flagstaff. Looks like I need to plan some time at the Grand Canyon. Great photography from both of you. Fantastic compositions! Beautiful area!
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:44 PM   #56
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Very, Very Nice!

Fantastic report...and I love the pictures from both photographers.

You will never regret the time you are taking to share a couple of passions with your son. He in turn will have sweet memories spent with his dad learning how to be a dad himself. Way to go!

Keep the report coming!

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And here I was thinking "another Grand Canyon with the kids" trip. Holy smokes, your photography is stunning and what a great trip!

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Amazing , nice pics and ride, but for me the best is share the trip with the son .
Happy you enjoyed together. Sure in somes years there will be 2 bikes and 2 riders....

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Old 06-15-2011, 05:24 PM   #59
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Day 5!

A warm night. I didn't even have to zip the sleeping bag.
Matthew decided not to blow up his air mattress.
He slept on the rocks and woke up feeling great.

I was looking forward to shooting pics of a large field of orange flowers along Toroweap Road.
The entire valley floor was vivid orange yesterday afternoon.
The flowers were all closed this morning.

You can't visit Toroweap without getting a pic of the road grader.
There's not much else to look at out here.

High Speed Gravel

We reach Fredonia again and stop for breakfast.

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Old 06-15-2011, 06:03 PM   #60
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Long Highway

The rest of the day will be a long ride home.

We enjoy the curves and cool forests back across the Kaibab Plateau.

It warms up in the desert. Time to get the snivel gear off.

We are in no hurry today. A photo stop is in order.

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