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Old 06-17-2011, 05:41 AM   #31
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Great stuff Ray and the knowledge that this place can offer, some don't head into hacks.

Going through the process myself, one thing I noticed is that second hand outfits stay on the market quite long, something that I noticed is a real personal thing.
So with that, I want to make sure I set mine up right the first time.

I was put on to Phyllis, gave him a call and was blown away by his wealth of knowledge.

Once I've got the body sorted out, Phyllis was open about building the chasis, attaching to the bike & building the LL's.

Had an offer from A2 was to ride his, unfortunately haven't been able to meet up due to reasons I want a sidecar.

TspED3, I'm sure you are the same guy my boy always gets excited about when he sees what looks to be your outfit. The same outfit that you potentially see a blue VStrom hanging next to you giving you a wave. A couple of times with your young passenger on the Monaro.
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Old 06-17-2011, 05:42 AM   #32
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whats the advantage of the front end like this picture below compared to normal forks?

hytram hope you dont mind me using the photo
McFear - the long answer:
A Leading-link front end reduces the trail - that is, the distance between the actual contact patch of the tyre on the ground and a line drawn trough the steering head and extending to the ground. On most bikes, this distance is around 100mm and is one of the factors in straight-line stability.
But a rigid sidecar can't be leant into corners, so the front wheel needs to be turned to steer the outfit, like the tiller on a boat. This is made hard by the trail, so sidecar builders do a bunch of things to the front end - the main one is to reduce the trail to anything between 0 and 40mm to make the steering lighter. Usually it's done with a leading link - which is basically a swingarm the wrong way around.
However, reducing trail invariably reduces straight-line stability, so a fairly hefty steering damper is also a common fitment to eliminate wobbles. It's a linear process of curing symptoms caused by curing symptoms.
Hope that helps!
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Old 06-17-2011, 05:59 AM   #33
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cheers guys.

got some photos uploading i found. went through about 2000 stills haha, took a fair while and only found 3 bloody photos of the sidecar haha. i know i got pictures somewhere of the sidecar in the air.

the bike is a kawasaki Z1300, and the sidecar was a 2 person but we had it when me and my sister were little. i think i was 9 or 10 when we got a car
back when we had it, it was the right size for me, my sister, a friend and the dog. it even had a boot for the groceries.
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Old 06-17-2011, 06:02 AM   #34
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ours is the blue one in the middle pic.

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Old 06-17-2011, 07:28 AM   #35
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yes Al..it was all your fault!!
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Old 06-17-2011, 03:36 PM   #36
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I bought it

I bought Al s outfit



then to this



now this



The handling is so much better with th LT than it was with the RS.
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:16 PM   #37
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I bought Al s outfit




The handling is so much better with th LT than it was with the RS.
The RS was better with the low seat than the high seat (better height for the bars). So that's 3 bikes that sidecar has been on now (the original owner in Canberra bought the chair and subframe new and never fitted them). 3 bikes for the leading link too (Mick Mathesons K100RT, the RS, now your LT).

Bloody kit bikes these things.

Good to see you're enjoying it. I'm on the lookout for some 1100 running gear to upgrade mine sometime in the future (house to finish first before building a suitable shed).

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Old 06-17-2011, 08:17 PM   #38
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Side car design

Just finished building a new front end (leading link) for my outfit ( K1100 + home built chair)
Found out BMW R60 from 1950-1969 ran 65mm trail for chair use & 95mm trail for solo.
The swing arm pivot was also behind a vertical line dropped down from the steering head.

Have measured 5 other K1100 outfits (from a common point on the motor to the axel ) and found they varied from 510 mm to 570 mm and sump heights 175 mm to 225 mm.

Tyre and wheel sizes also come into how a bike handles.

The R60's also had the handle bar mounts behind the steering head pivot point as well, so my K1100 has the bars moved back 35 mm which helps to lighten the steering.

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Old 06-17-2011, 11:12 PM   #39
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TspED3, I'm sure you are the same guy my boy always gets excited about when he sees what looks to be your outfit. The same outfit that you potentially see a blue VStrom hanging next to you giving you a wave. A couple of times with your young passenger on the Monaro.
Yep sounds about right, I think I have seen you a couple of times. Don't be offended if the boys don't wave back, I am trying to teach them to only wave to the good looking ones.



Good pics McFear, other than the beard your old man hasn't changed a bit!
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:22 AM   #40
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Leading Links is a major improvement over standard forks. Have not ridden on standard forks for years. Ron Hudis built my first LL's and secound chair. It was brilliant to ride.



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Old 06-19-2011, 04:13 AM   #41
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I will be send my bike to Phyllis in the next month or so once i have the chair finished to mate up the chair I have sitting here at home. Phill came very highly recommend.
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Old 06-19-2011, 04:16 AM   #42
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I will be send my bike to Phyllis in the next month or so once i have the chair finished to mate up the chair I have sitting here at home. Phill came very highly recommend.
On ya Brendan. Anyone thinking of getting into outfits should be required to talk to Phyllis. The bloke's been riding 'em and building 'em most of his life, and he's forgotten more than most of us will ever know. His knowlege, enthusiasm, and willingness to pass it all on is invaluable.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:21 AM   #43
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On ya Brendan. Anyone thinking of getting into outfits should be required to talk to Phyllis. The bloke's been riding 'em and building 'em most of his life, and he's forgotten more than most of us will ever know. His knowlege, enthusiasm, and willingness to pass it all on is invaluable.

If God had a sidecar, it would have been built by Phyllis..
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:54 AM   #44
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If God had a sidecar,
Ever wondered why Lucifer fell?

Just sayin' is all.





(no idea if Phyllis had a hand in it or not though.
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:55 PM   #45
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If God had a sidecar, it would have been built by Phyllis..

Oh, please.
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