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Old 06-29-2011, 04:45 PM   #16
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What happened to Uzi's?
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Old 06-29-2011, 05:40 PM   #17
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What happened to Uzi's?
Just a guess, but I figure they wanted a high velocity rifle round instead of a pistol round. I think they're both great for different things and a blast to shoot
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:22 AM   #18
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Israeli ATGATT? Try www.brosh.com Some really light riding gear for very hot weather.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:34 AM   #19
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Great photo! The reason for the M4 is the Uzzi is a 9MM pistol round which is fine for CQB (Close Quarter Combat). The M4 uses 223 rifle round which has a much greater velosity and range. The 11 in barrel and collapsable stock makes this weapon a perfect mix between CQB and medium range weapon. Zero'd at 50 yards it is poit of aim point of impact from basically 25 yrds at 100 yds. Much faster round and more energy than the 9MM.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:47 AM   #20
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Israeli ATGATT? Try www.brosh.com Some really light riding gear for very hot weather.

With a 32" inseam these are great for the vertically challenged.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:57 AM   #21
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A 9mm that fires when you need it is preferable to a 5.56 that is jammed in the chamber.

The 5.56 is a great round, the M4 is a POS.

Ruger Mini-14 is way better.

Doesn't that guy know that smoking is dangerous?
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:12 PM   #22
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If those dudes are Russian, they should be carrying Krinks.
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:14 PM   #23
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Interesting. I posted a few weeks back in the F8 forum about a black version of the BMW bashplate that I had found on ebay, where the ad claimed it was used by Israeli military. Perhaps they are using the F8 after all.
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:18 PM   #24
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i would guess mossad or something like that before kgb! definately a kick ass job, im pretty sure those guys can hold their own...
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:59 PM   #25
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A lot of agencies are now favouring a .223 jacketed round or similar over a 9mm pistol round due to all their opponents going to decent body armour that will stop a soft lead round, where a rifle round will punch right through. 9mm stuff like the Uzi or the MP5 aren't as effective in close quarters as they once were.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:14 AM   #26
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A 9mm that fires when you need it is preferable to a 5.56 that is jammed in the chamber.

The 5.56 is a great round, the M4 is a POS.

Ruger Mini-14 is way better.

Doesn't that guy know that smoking is dangerous?
Are you just trying to start shit

The UZI requires MUCH more maintenance than an M4. Way more moving parts on the uzi too. I trusted my life to an M4 for over a year and it never failed me.

the mini-14 ok but I would rather have the M4
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:52 AM   #27
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I never had a jam in my M-16 A2 or my M4 either, but I saw lots of other guys have them. I was really obsessive about cleaning and lubing the things, a lot more than most guys. I was under the impression that the Uzi and the 5.5 Galil were much easier to clean and more jam resistant, but if you have first hand experience I respect that. My brother has a Mini-14 and I think it's a terrific piece of gear.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:17 AM   #28
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2-up

I've been there a couple of times for work. These guys usually ride 2-up ! Anyone here willing to make fun of them ?
They used to be on KLR's. I saw them on a 800 GS in camo paint, Also saw cops on 1200 GS's in Tel Aviv and on the main highway between TA and Jerusalem.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:46 AM   #29
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A 9mm that fires when you need it is preferable to a 5.56 that is jammed in the chamber.

The 5.56 is a great round, the M4 is a POS.

Ruger Mini-14 is way better.

Doesn't that guy know that smoking is dangerous?
Ummm... with all due respect, now. I seem to remember that you are in the military so I will not debate any anecdotal experience you have, but I will respectfully say that your opinion of both the M4 and the Mini-14 are far out of the mainstream. Even most M4 detractors can't stand the Mini-14 due to its magazine issues, accuracy, sights, and ability to deal with dirt and sand.

I will say that the 11.5" barrel pictured is not the most reliable thing on the planet, but the 14.5" on the M4 sure seems to work well. I would trust my ass to one.
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Old 07-06-2011, 02:06 PM   #30
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I will say that the 11.5" barrel pictured is not the most reliable thing on the planet, but the 14.5" on the M4 sure seems to work well. I would trust my ass to one.
And probably a tad easier to deal with while slung on a bike.

Ive thought about slinging my M1 like that to go to a CMP shoot, being that it is legal and all in PA.
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