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Old 03-12-2012, 08:30 PM   #76
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That has a different mounting plate & it's at the wrong end unfortunately. Motor could be the same though. Plan c :1 is to visit a wreckers & find something with the same cog size which the mounting plate will fit too. Not many wreckers up here sadly so that's not a quick option. Any hoo, I have bitten the bullet & ordered lowering links off ebay, they now have my life history.... If my girlfriend is comfortable using the boot when the bike is lowered it will take a bit of pressure off replacing the starter motor straight away.
Short term i just need to figure out how to adequately block the hole in the engine where the starter motor was. Gaffa tape won't last long. Hours of fun.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:15 PM   #77
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Hi Harvey,
I stubbled on this forum and your posts as I'm in the same boat, that is looking for a new starter motor for my DT230 (yr 2000).
I'm located in Darwin. Local bike shop "NT Motorcycle Centre" quoted me $434 for an OEM part. A bit better than the quote you've received, but still pretty steep. I've been to a few auto electronic workshops to see if they could fix/re-wind it, but that doesn't seem to be possible.

Your plan c has crossed my mind. There are heaps of yamaha starter available online. All of them under a $100 (so why DT230 starter motor is so expensive is beyond me...)However, I haven't been able to find a yamaha starter motor that appears to have the same casing dimensions so you can transfer the inner parts into DT230 housing....

I like the idea of installing a kick starter @ around US$155 for a kit (http://japan.webike.net/products/1512790.html), but I'm not an experienced bike mechanic and I fear such project may be too difficult to take on....

I keep searching and will post if I find something useful

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Old 03-13-2012, 09:01 PM   #78
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Hi Harvey,
I stubbled on this forum and your posts as I'm in the same boat, that is looking for a new starter motor for my DT230 (yr 2000).
I'm located in Darwin. Local bike shop "NT Motorcycle Centre" quoted me $434 for an OEM part. A bit better than the quote you've received, but still pretty steep. I've been to a few auto electronic workshops to see if they could fix/re-wind it, but that doesn't seem to be possible.

Your plan c has crossed my mind. There are heaps of yamaha starter available online. All of them under a $100 (so why DT230 starter motor is so expensive is beyond me...)However, I haven't been able to find a yamaha starter motor that appears to have the same casing dimensions so you can transfer the inner parts into DT230 housing....

I like the idea of installing a kick starter @ around US$155 for a kit (http://japan.webike.net/products/1512790.html), but I'm not an experienced bike mechanic and I fear such project may be too difficult to take on....

I keep searching and will post if I find something useful

cheers
Hmmm, another rooted starter motor. Guess I should not be too put out about mine, still fine with the kick start.
I have emailed a guy over here who specialises in fixing starter motors & alternators so I have my fingers crossed.
We could always do a plan D & see if you get discount on starters....
I am going to do a bit of research on small yamahas of the same vintage, as you say it cannot be a one off motor.
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:33 PM   #79
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Made some changes of Tree to DT with Hennesy Hammock here

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Old 04-19-2012, 07:37 PM   #80
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:35 PM   #81
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Ooooh, I just had little wee's!
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:58 PM   #82
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DT230 Footpegs

Was going to order a new set of over size foot pegs from Webike Japan to accommodate my fat hoof, but wondered if a set of Pivot Pegz would fit. What the hell, thought I'd give a set a go from the TTR250, swallow me....perfect fit. The feel from these pegs is extraordinary, you can ride so much easier standing up particularly getting your weight over the bars for big rear wheel tyre shredding skids....now if only the DT230 didn't have traction control, I might be able to do that!









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Old 05-08-2012, 05:50 PM   #83
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Sheesh, I thought I had big hooves!
My traction control must be broken. I had an "enthusiastic" forest ride recently, 50 k's of twisty gravel & then a couple of hours trail riding. I put the knobbie (med moto x tire) on the back & had no issues with leaving lurid big esses' out of the corners without crapping myself, I love these bikes!!
It was the first chance I've had to ride the bike off road in anger, well, slightly chagrined, I had to get home on it... I was really impressed for my style of riding (slow & technical). The wee DT would float the front anywhere, I even managed to pull a proper mingin wheelie too. Steep hills with steps were really easy, could be the traction control... The bike would happily scream up in second or pull steady revs in 3rd. No scary wheelies like my KDX & no loss of grip bouncing over the steps. Tree roots, muddy ruts & slippy off camber trails were dispatched without issue giving me enough confidence to do some trialsie type riding in a stream, up & down vertical banks & over logs (wee ones) in the creek.
Awesome, I need to get another one.

My starter motor issues are on going.. I ended up getting it "fixed", new brushes etc & then spent an hour trying to get it back on the bike. After virtually stripping it down to the spark plug I realised the sparky had put the mounting plate on the wrong way. 5 minutes later the starter was back on, 45 minutes later the bike was back together.. Oh well, you live & learn. After all that the starter crapped itself again in 2 days
By sheer luck I took it to bits with the intention of pulling the guts out & using the housing to fill the hole & lo, a wire had come off. A quick dab with the soldering iron & I'm back in business.
The only other issue I have at the mo is front brake pads, bought some new ones, fitted them & the bar stewards are too thick to fit the disc. I checked the pistons were fully in, yup, but they stand a couple of mm proud of the caliper. Just the distance I need to get the pads on. So I have to grind the pads down slightly, fook they are hard!
I think the brand is Goldfren for future reference.
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Old 05-26-2012, 05:35 AM   #84
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Loving the info in this thread!

Looking at one of these tomorrow. Looks sweet in the pics, hope its a keeper.


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Old 05-27-2012, 01:15 AM   #85
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Picked up this dirt turtle today,



Need to fit a bash plate and barkbusters straight away. Will change gearbox oil, coolant, clean up the chain, and do the air filter as well.

Can't wait to see how it goes at the Watagans next weekend.


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Old 05-28-2012, 04:07 PM   #86
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In the interest's of fellow DT owners I fatefully tested my bikes ability on a variety of terrain on Sunday. It performed flawlessly in the bush, up & down steep hills, through deep mud & even got me home home in one piece through 50k's of very slick forest trails in the pouring rain after the sun had gone down. Admittedly I did not see much of the trail but plenty of trees & bush.
The only area I found the bike wanting was it's inability to run under water. Within a few feet of landing a lovely Pastranaesque leap into a creek I found a hole which was exactly head stock deep or in the old money, up to the elastic on my underpants. The bike floats a bit too, clever.
For your edification, here is how you get them running again.
First, sit on the river bank in your socks & underpants for 30 minutes while you wait for somebody to get a screw driver so you can take the side panel off to get your tools. Once this is achieved take off the air filter cover, remove air filter, tad poles & small eels. Squeeze mud & twigs out of air filter, replace. Next, remove the little doofus between the air filter & carburetor. Once the cascade has stopped you can loosen the wee screw at the base of the carburetor to allow more of the creek to return home. While you wait for this, get your first aid kit out so you can put plasters on your hands once the spark plug has been removed. This done, kick the bike over 97 times, no more, no less.
Not much more to do now. Penultimately, using a burly companion you need to get the bike vertical so that the 11 ltrs of water in the exhaust can be turned into air. One person holds the back brake on (me), the burly one then lifts the bike into a vertical position putting most of it's weight onto your shoulder (mine). It's worth it to see how much water comes out, I may be prosecuted for erosion...
With this all done, check the spark. If, when you put the plug cap on, hold the plug against the motor & then kick it over you get the feeling of being viciously hoofed in the elbow by a pit pony then all is well. In hindsight I won't hold it next time, just leave it dangling against the cylinder & look for that little spark of life. Put the plug back into it's virginaly elusive hole, replace plug lead & put more plasters on. Now kick it until your leg falls off. The bike will hint that it wants to fire but don't be fooled.
The feeling of shattered bone & numbness made the next & final step in resuscitating my girlfriends pride & joy harder than it needs to be. Deep mud & a track which weaves between trees is not ideal either.
Attach a strop to the rear of the Toyota Hilux you always ride with & wrap the other end once around the handle bar cross brace, in the centre, this is important. Hold the loose end on the bar grip with your left hand, the one that hurts, so you can release it after you have fallen over. You will fall over because the strop you so carefully placed in the centre will immediately & unexpectedly slide up the mounting brace. After a number of unsuccessful tows to bump start the bike, each faster & scarier than the last, turn the petrol back on. It will happily fire into life immediately, as if nothing had happened.

Your welcome.
P.S. Don't worry about the water in the headlight, it will drain of it's own accord.
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Old 05-28-2012, 08:00 PM   #87
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Hey Harvey, thanks for the heads up and for the entertainment, any pictures to make it even funnier?
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Old 05-28-2012, 08:35 PM   #88
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Hey Harvey, thanks for the heads up and for the entertainment, any pictures to make it even funnier?
Ah, sadly no. Would have been a million hits on youtube but the Go pro was languishing elsewhere. The people following me scarpered the moment they regained their composure with the customary "you ok mate?" then gone before they filled their boots too. I dropped the gearbox oil yesterday, it came out like condensed milk...

Might be awhile before the missus tells me where she has hidden the keys too.

The bike is running faultlessly, I'm astonished. IIR the moment of entry, just after my triple salco & half axle twist, the water was over the tank.. What an idiot!
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:23 AM   #89
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HK, excellent post!

Had a bloody good chuckle at that!

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Old 05-29-2012, 11:19 AM   #90
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Harvey - I'v drowned my DT230 a couple of times too so can relate to your very amusing story. Fuel tap "issues" aside, this is good example of the advantage of kick start.
PS: the back of the key is designed to fit side-cover screws.
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