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Old 07-07-2011, 06:58 AM   #16
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Sitting here today with both bikes being what they are and knowing what is known about each, the I'd buy a BMW in a heartbeat. All the technical reasons stated above plus a couple more.

While the GS has is issues for the most part they are all known and there are reasonable solutions for most of them. The Triumph is a new beast. While the motor maybe a known quantity don't think for a second that this new bike will not have teething issues. All new products do.

I personally don't like the looks of the Triumph frame. Also don't like the fact the rear subframe is not a bolt-on. Don't like the fact that Triumph couldn't (or didn't) come up with an original visual design. Blah, blah, blah.

At the end of the day, all the above is just a bunch of words. Buy the one that moves you.
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Old 07-07-2011, 07:08 AM   #17
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I've got a GS658 (2 years) and the Tiger 800 (2 months). For my needs, the Tiger wins. Better response, no buzz, a much better road bike.
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Old 07-07-2011, 07:54 AM   #18
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I guess the 3 cylinder bike would be smoother on the road. Best of both worlds, really.
I personally don't have a problem with the f800 engine, though.
I think BMW did a great job with the design.

I seriously don't think people will care about an extra 20 lbs of weight on the Triumph. Can you really tell?

Triumph made a great bike......and so did BMW....!!!

It's too bad they made one that looks just like the f800gs, though....it should look more distinct....that's like business 101 right there....
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Old 07-07-2011, 08:59 AM   #19
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I guess the 3 cylinder bike would be smoother on the road. Best of both worlds, really.
I personally don't have a problem with the f800 engine, though.
I think BMW did a great job with the design.
+1 on that.

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I seriously don't think people will care about an extra 20 lbs of weight on the Triumph. Can you really tell?
Heck yeah you could tell. Not only is the 800XC 25 lbs heavier overall, but that damn 5 gallon gas tank is up so damn high on the bike. That makes 800XC feel like a tank compared to the low center of gravity the 800GS has. The 800XC feels like a 475 lb bike when you're riding it. Whereas, the F800GS feels like a 300 lb bike (thought it is not) when you're riding it.

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Triumph made a great bike......and so did BMW....!!!
Agreed as well. However, we shouldn't forget that BMW did it first (and better IMO). The Tiger 800 XC is virtually a clone of the F800GS.... as in Triumph's attempt at a F800GS. Not very original.

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It's too bad they made one that looks just like the f800gs, though....it should look more distinct....that's like business 101 right there....
Totally.
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Old 07-07-2011, 09:08 AM   #20
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I may in the minority here, but after owning a GS for a year I have to say it's one of the most top heavy bikes I've ever ridden - even with the gas tank under the seat.

The fact it's a bit tall for me plays into this, but I just jumped on a KTM990 Adventure on the weekend and almost dropped it because it was so easy to get off the kickstand - hefted it up like I do my GS and nearly threw it on the ground...

I haven't ridden the Triumph yet, but I plan to. My GS is a great all around bike, but after a year I've come to realize that the vast majority of my time is spent on pavement, and the dirt I do ride is pretty well groomed. I think the Triumph would suit that kind of riding better. I guess you have to be honest about what you'll be doing most of the time.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:34 PM   #21
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I bought my F800 almost a year ago. The odo is a few miles shy of 5k with the bulk accounted for rolling along the tarmac. It is my daily commuter year round. My friend recently bought a Tiger a few months back.

After numerous comparisons I have learned this:

-The tiger tank is bigger, but with less fuel economy we are both empty at 200 miles.
-The stock seats are near enough the same to kill your backside. An Airhawk is your friend.
-The tiger ABS is tedious to turn off.
-Aftermarket parts for the tiger are less numerous and sometimes difficult to find. The bike is still too new.
-The F800 computer controls are easier to navigate.
-They feel quite similar to sit on, however the F800 is narrower near the thighs.
-The F800 foot pegs feel higher.
-The tiger low end throttle is factory smoother. With a booster plug in the BMW they are similar.
-Both dealerships have been exceptional. Gateway BMW for me. El Dorado Cycle for him. Both in Missouri.
-The handle bars are factory higher on the tiger. Same height as the F800 with a 20mm riser.
-The tiger is more front and back balanced, where the F800 is more front heavy.

Riding and handling: There is a slight difference in "feel" (sorry for the lack of specificity but that is as best as I can do) and position. Road and off-road performance is similar, where the tiger has a slight road bias and the F800 has a slight off-road bias. I would speculate most of the differences are driver based rather than design.

Had I to do it over again, I would still buy the BMW F800GS. It was and still is my dream bike taking me where ever I want to go. My friend would still buy his Tiger for the same reason. My lack of dirt miles will be quickly remedied in the near future.

BUT... for those on the fence, In six weeks we depart for Yellowstone. 4K miles of mixed roads and dirt trails. We decided it would make a good competitive ride report.
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:02 PM   #22
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I don't agree that both bikes have uncomfortable OEM seats. The Beemer does for sure, like sitting on a vinyl covered 2x6 but the tiger isn't bad. I've got 3,500 miles on it and and not considering a replacement. I replaced the GS seat with a Sargent the first week, but it is still not as comfortable as the stock Tiger.

My complaints about the Tiger after getting used to the BMW.

Engine heat management on knees/legs- I had to fabricate some shields for the Summer.
Increase the fuel mileage 45 vs 62 mpg
Toggle switch for the computer moved from the pod to the handlebar.
Add ambient temperature display

Complaints about the BMW after getting used to the Tiger.

Use the Triumph engine - smooth, powerful, responsive and no buzz
The centerstand is way too hard to use.
The seat.
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:25 PM   #23
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I drove both before buying a few months ago. I chose the 800GS. The Tiger is FUN. I could get into serious trouble on the road with it. Smooth, quick tranny, loved the engine. I think it would be a great road touring bike. I liked how I could change the seat height on my owe, with the stock seat. But it was the first year of the Tiger. I don't buy first year models. I also didn't like the looks of the bottom linkage on the Tiger; too exposed. For what I wanted the bike for I felt the 800GS was a better fit for me. Your mileage may very though.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:36 PM   #24
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I would pick the F800 better off road, the tiger is a better street bike because of the 3 cylinder, but not as good off road because of the 3 cylinders. I ride the road to get off road. Also warranty 3 years for the BMW and a year for the tiger.
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Old 07-07-2011, 07:11 PM   #25
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I postponed buying a 800GS because of the 800XC. They really hyped the living f**k out of that bike with all of the teaser ads, etc. I wasn't in a hurry to buy a bike, so I waited to see them in person.

Neither bike is perfect, but the pros and cons kinda balance out - so which bike yanks your crank better? Buy THAT one. The fit and finish of the Tiger underwhelmed me, and some design aspects just didn't score points with me either.

Like:

Metal gas tank up high (considering what my Dakar had been through, it would be dented to hell.)
3 cylinders? I did just fine with 1 before. 2 is enough for a bike like this.
Engine hangs low and forward. Again, considering previous bike, I would definitely hit that thing.

There's more, but why bother. Some of these things are probably why it gets deemed the better 'road' bike of the two. And you bet your ass I'm not buying a first year anything. BMW has had 4 years of production to get mine right, so we'll see about that.

And by the way, I figured I would stop by the Tiger thread before I wrote this, and there are already posts about incurable stalling, overheating, corporate bike buybacks for defects - so don't let the reliability aspect sway you.

Again - both bikes are fine - just friggin' buy one and ride the crap out of it. Don't want any Tiger fans freakin' out over here in PU.
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Old 07-07-2011, 08:38 PM   #26
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It's hard to sort from coolaid and fact, but you guys posted some good stuff.

Griz, not to single you out, but from one video review I saw, I'll look for it, but not the MCN. The Tiger is rated better off road, and feels "much lighter" while the F800gs is better on road. Have you actually ridden both bikes?

Here it is, all of the reviewers seem to rate the triumph better http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/8/1012...g-Comparo.aspx

Someone mentioned the price: I can't find a F800gs that sells for MSRP, they all have standard package plus some dealer dough.

All of the dealers are pushing the tiger real hard. Even the ones that sell the F800gs also. I don't know why, every time I asked about the F800gs, I was steered back to the tiger. Must be some kind of triumph incentive that BMW isn't giving?

I agree that the tiger looks like a poor imitation of the F800gs, however the materials and build quality do look better, though that is subjective. I think the f800 looks much better, and the bmw emblem on the side is icing on the cake.

Honestly, I don't know how much dirt riding I will do, and the dirt riding I will do will not be terribly serious. I won't be able to do a world tour for quite a while until I finish school, so that puts the F800gs with it's fuel issues back in the running.

The big issue with the f800 is the seat on the tiger is much more comfortable. What after market options do I have for the f800?

Thanks for the replys, if only I could find a dealer that would let me test ride either or even both. I can't believe they are trying to sell me a bike without letting me test ride either of them.
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Old 07-07-2011, 08:54 PM   #27
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Griz, not to single you out, but from one video review I saw, I'll look for it, but not the MCN. The Tiger is rated better off road, and feels "much lighter" while the F800gs is better on road. Have you actually ridden both bikes?

Here it is, all of the reviewers seem to rate the triumph better http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/8/1012...g-Comparo.aspx
I watched that MCN review a long time ago.... and I don't agree with it!

Yes, I've ridden both.

The 800XC is considerably more top heavy than the F800GS. Also feels heavier overall. And for a 800cc triple, its engine feels considerably weaker than the F800GS's down low in the RPMs.

I stand by my previous post.

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Old 07-07-2011, 11:29 PM   #28
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I have not rode the Triumph, so I also read it closely. I wanted to write the bike off as not comparable off road, but then I started adding up the changes I made to the BMW 800 and why.

Bitubo cartridge inserts and springs to address the front. Heavier springs for the rear, almost full hard on rebound. To much torque for dirt? I run knobbies plus added an Accelerator module and G2 throttle tube to smooth out its sudden application. At 5,000 rpm it does get tingly and feels like it is running out of breath. I added a Leo Vince exhaust, that and mileage seems to have solved both problems. I don't mind the gear shift, but if my boots get wet, I do find myself using the heel of my boot on the lever to shift. Switch gear you get used to, but I did shave the back of the brake arm in order to raise it. A cheap mod for seat involves an electric carving knife, I did that too.

So it seems to me the criticism of the bike is valid and good to know I did not waste my money on farkels.

I really did not spend a great deal of money and my average mileage is better than the test bike.

I think if the testers rode my bike they would pick a different winner, but for a new customer I understand now why they might not.

I am not sure if would still pick the BMW, but if I did, I want to transfer my modifications.

PS, it is a 800 Griz.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:54 AM   #29
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No. I would not. The Tiger 800 XC is:

-Has lower ground clearance, making certain parts (header in particular) seem very vulnerable

The F800GS is:

-Has higher ground clearance
^The above is what would seal the deal for me if you were interested in taking it on anything more challenging than fire roads. For my strength/ability/size the weight is not the limiting factor in offroading the F8. Nor is it the quality of the suspension. By a loooong way, the single greatest limiting factor I find is ground clearance. As the Triumph is lower still, I think you will have problems using it on anything remotely like "proper" offroad.

For a 100% roadbike? I'd be very interested in the Tiger.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:45 AM   #30
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PS, it is a 800 Griz.
Oops! My mistake.
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