Tiger Tales - Dialling in the 800XC for the dirt - Page 114

motomart · 03-05-2013, 04:18 PM

After a dusty few days of riding the bike developed the stalling issue. Tried power washing, did not help. Sprayed the stepper motor area with WD40, the bike fired up with a rough idle which made me think I just F it up. After about 30 sec the idle was back to normal and no more staling. That was 14,000 km ago.

bross · 03-05-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by motomart

After a dusty few days of riding the bike developed the stalling issue. Tried power washing, did not help. Sprayed the stepper motor area with 10w40, the bike fired up with a rough idle which made me think I just F it up. After about 30 sec the idle was back to normal and no more staling. That was 14,000 km ago.

The motor oil must last a lot longer than WD40.

ducnut · 03-05-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bross

My wife's Street Triple makes the same noise.

Must be the 675s not the 1050s and since our 800s are based on the 675???

My Tiger 1050 and Daytona 675 have/had the same noise. It's supposed to warm up, toward the end of the week. I'm pulling the forks for servicing and am going to dig into the noise source. I'll report back.

motomart · 03-05-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bross

The motor oil must last a lot longer than WD40.

Ahhh WD40

Chinookmark · 03-05-2013, 09:05 PM

Just throwing this out there for the sake of discussion...

Every other bike on the planet just has an idle adjustment screw. No stepper motor. Has anyone considered removing the stepper motor and installing a traditional idle stop?

I know it would lose that cool anti-stall feature, but it would eliminate all the seized stepper motor problems.

Again, I'm not saying the stepper motor is so bad it needs to be removed. Just proposing a "what if" question.

blacktiger · 03-06-2013, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bross

My wife's Street Triple makes the same noise.

Must be the 675s not the 1050s and since our 800s are based on the 675???

This is odd because the 1050 does have a stepper motor system the same or similar to our 800s. http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triump...lock_03=610301

The 955 versions have an "Idle Air Control Valve" (IACV) instead of a stepper motor. http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triump...&block_03=9785 Different system altogether.

KildareMan · 03-06-2013, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chinookmark

Just throwing this out there for the sake of discussion...

Every other bike on the planet just has an idle adjustment screw. No stepper motor. Has anyone considered removing the stepper motor and installing a traditional idle stop?

I know it would lose that cool anti-stall feature, but it would eliminate all the seized stepper motor problems.

Again, I'm not saying the stepper motor is so bad it needs to be removed. Just proposing a "what if" question.

The stepper motor isn't "seizing". It's length of travel is being limited by gunge buildup. Squirt of WD40 & turning ignition on/off a couple of times generally does the trick in removing gunge buildup - for a while anyway. Best solution - clean and lubricate with a dry ptfe type lub.

KildareMan · 03-06-2013, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by blacktiger

This is odd because the 1050 does have a stepper motor system the same or similar to our 800s. http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triump...lock_03=610301

The 955 versions have an "Idle Air Control Valve" (IACV) instead of a stepper motor. http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triump...&block_03=9785 Different system altogether.

Yup both my 1050 & now 800 both make the fax noise

Hardhead · 03-06-2013, 03:20 AM

I had the idle problem with mine a while ago so I took it to the dealer. I wanted to the dealer to see it so it was an "official" problem. First of all they said they'd never heard of the problem but in the end just sprayed it with WD40 and said it was fixed. I haven't put a lot of km on it since (maybe 200km) but there haven't been any problems.

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Originally Posted by KildareMan

The stepper motor isn't "seizing". It's length of travel is being limited by gunge buildup. Squirt of WD40 & turning ignition on/off a couple of times generally does the trick in removing gunge buildup - for a while anyway. Best solution - clean and lubricate with a dry ptfe type lub.

Rob Dirt · 03-06-2013, 05:57 AM

The throttle roller & stepper motor arm need some lube. WD40 is ok in a pinch, but cable lube or something that doesn't dry up is better.
I never removed that nut at the top of the stepper motor.

Yes. The Daytona guys have figured out a Manuel Screw idle adjustment to replace the stepper motor. I don't have time to search right now. It's on a different forum

MotoTex · 03-06-2013, 08:33 AM

After looking though the existing XC threads on ADV, and searching the Beasts and other Tiger800 forums for information, I've started a thread to reference 800XC suspension mods, reviews, sources, etc. in the hopes of pooling resources for the available options.

Having read AV-Mech's "Hobbes" thread and his praise of the improvements gained from valving and spring upgrades tuned to his weight and riding style, this would be how I would like my forks (and shock) to behave. The business that did his mods no longer exists.

If anyone else has made improvements to their suspension please consider posting up the details of who, what, where, and how you like it in the linked thread above.

Thanks!

fbj913 · 03-06-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MotoTex

After looking though the existing XC threads on ADV, and searching the Beasts and other Tiger800 forums for information, I've started a thread to reference 800XC suspension mods, reviews, sources, etc. in the hopes of pooling resources for the available options.

Having read AV-Mech's "Hobbes" thread and his praise of the improvements gained from valving and spring upgrades tuned to his weight and riding style, this would be how I would like my forks (and shock) to behave. The business that did his mods no longer exists.

If anyone else has made improvements to their suspension please consider posting up the details of who, what, where, and how you like it in the linked thread above.

Thanks!

There was one at some point. I made this sticky thread a while back that had a link to one but then the mods started mushing things together and lots of information was buried.

So, the sticky is now basically a waste.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841372

I am running stock forks and Ohlins rear. I don't have much time of it yet but I can only imagine how sweet ass it will be!

C5INC · 03-06-2013, 10:23 AM

I know this has been discussed at length with cleaning and greasing being the most common cure for stepper motor issues. 5000 miles on my 2012 and it's time for my second motor! My dealer tech is pissed at Triumph telling him they don't have a fix and really don't care! When I get my bike to him he wants to see if there is any way to cut up an old oiled foam air filter to wrap the motor to keep the dirt out. Might work. Anybody tried this?
Also, I wanted to set the idle speed up just a little but he tells me there is no way to adjust that. Is that true?

blacktiger · 03-06-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by C5INC

Also, I wanted to set the idle speed up just a little but he tells me there is no way to adjust that. Is that true?

I think you can do that using TuneECU.

C5INC · 03-06-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by blacktiger

I think you can do that using TuneECU.

You would think the Dealer software would do it too. Frickin electro-gizmo bikes!

03-05-2013, 04:18 PM	#1696
motomart Adventurer Joined: Feb 2011 Location: Toronto, Canada Oddometer: 69	After a dusty few days of riding the bike developed the stalling issue. Tried power washing, did not help. Sprayed the stepper motor area with WD40, the bike fired up with a rough idle which made me think I just F it up. After about 30 sec the idle was back to normal and no more staling. That was 14,000 km ago. motomart screwed with this post 03-05-2013 at 05:25 PM

03-06-2013, 05:57 AM	#1705
Rob Dirt More or less in line Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Mobile Oddometer: 2,255	The throttle roller & stepper motor arm need some lube. WD40 is ok in a pinch, but cable lube or something that doesn't dry up is better. I never removed that nut at the top of the stepper motor. Yes. The Daytona guys have figured out a Manuel Screw idle adjustment to replace the stepper motor. I don't have time to search right now. It's on a different forum __________________ Heart of Dixie

03-06-2013, 08:33 AM	#1706
MotoTex Miles of Smiles Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Tool Shed Oddometer: 663	Suspension Mods and Sources After looking though the existing XC threads on ADV, and searching the Beasts and other Tiger800 forums for information, I've started a thread to reference 800XC suspension mods, reviews, sources, etc. in the hopes of pooling resources for the available options. Having read AV-Mech's "Hobbes" thread and his praise of the improvements gained from valving and spring upgrades tuned to his weight and riding style, this would be how I would like my forks (and shock) to behave. The business that did his mods no longer exists. If anyone else has made improvements to their suspension please consider posting up the details of who, what, where, and how you like it in the linked thread above. Thanks! __________________ 13 TRIUMPH TIGER 800XC . . the new kitty in the litterbox 04 KTM 950 Adventure . . . . Farkelization Completed - soon to be up for adoption 00 SUZUKI DRZ-400E. . . . . . DS Plated

03-06-2013, 10:23 AM	#1708
C5INC Adventurer Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Montana Oddometer: 52	Stepper Motor Cure? I know this has been discussed at length with cleaning and greasing being the most common cure for stepper motor issues. 5000 miles on my 2012 and it's time for my second motor! My dealer tech is pissed at Triumph telling him they don't have a fix and really don't care! When I get my bike to him he wants to see if there is any way to cut up an old oiled foam air filter to wrap the motor to keep the dirt out. Might work. Anybody tried this? Also, I wanted to set the idle speed up just a little but he tells me there is no way to adjust that. Is that true?

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03-05-2013, 09:05 PM	#1700
Chinookmark Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2005 Location: Raggie Town, CT Oddometer: 126	Just throwing this out there for the sake of discussion... Every other bike on the planet just has an idle adjustment screw. No stepper motor. Has anyone considered removing the stepper motor and installing a traditional idle stop? I know it would lose that cool anti-stall feature, but it would eliminate all the seized stepper motor problems. Again, I'm not saying the stepper motor is so bad it needs to be removed. Just proposing a "what if" question.