Help me ID these chipped pieces

vf-17 · 07-10-2011, 06:38 PM

I have a 05.5 A with 23,700 miles, all services performed. While changing my oil yesterday I found these two metal pieces stuck to the drain plug magnet on the bottom end of the engine. The primary oil filter did not show any sign of metal, the screen in the oil tank did not show any signs of metal and the oil screen next to the brake petal did not show any signs of metal. The engine starts good, sounds good and runs great. About 3 weeks prior to this oil change I had a high RPM miss shift and slammed it back into gear, wondering if these pieces are broken gear teeth. The pieces do have a curvature to them. I have always used motorex 10-50, full synthetic oil. The pieces look much bigger in pics than real life, largest one less than 1/4 inch long by 1/8 inch wide, also the two pieces themselves do not fit together. Hoping to go on a 600 mile riding trip this weekend, what do you all think?

Pete640 · 07-10-2011, 06:47 PM

Open up your clutch cover n have a look at the basket fingers ends - it may well be from there, very pront to brakeage. If the bike is running fine Id be more than happy to go for a little '600' ride. They are a very sturdy motor and believe me you will know when it doesnt want to go any further....

Foot dragger · 07-10-2011, 06:50 PM

They do indeed look like gear parts from what I can see. Engines just dont normally spit out chunks of metal like that.
Id take em to a professional mechanic and see what he thinks. Really listen close for a whine in what ever gear you slammed it back into when it missed a shift. There could be more chunks floating inside loose still.

Foot dragger · 07-10-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete640

Open up your clutch cover n have a look at the basket fingers ends - it may well be from there, very pront to brakeage. If the bike is running fine Id be more than happy to go for a little '600' ride. They are a very sturdy motor and believe me you will know when it doesnt want to go any further....

Basket is aluminum?
Gears be metal,be easy to tell which is which.

MortimerSickle · 07-11-2011, 01:24 PM

I looked at some parts I have, and the first thing laying on top was the balancer shaft, and it has gear teeth of about the size you mention. The timing gears also have that size teeth. I hesitate to even mention this, because I can't imagine why they would break.

I can't tell from your photo, but does the larger piece have three tiny wear marks on it? I certainly hope not.

vf-17 · 07-11-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MortimerSickle

I looked at some parts I have, and the first thing laying on top was the balancer shaft, and it has gear teeth of about the size you mention. The timing gears also have that size teeth. I hesitate to even mention this, because I can't imagine why they would break.

I can't tell from your photo, but does the larger piece have three tiny wear marks on it? I certainly hope not.

My pieces do not have those three marks.
Also these have a curvature on one (in the picture I posted) and the other side is flat with a grainy finish.
I will get my camera and try to get some better pictures.

MortimerSickle · 07-11-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vf-17

My pieces do not have those three marks.
Also these have a curvature on one (in the picture I posted) and the other side is flat with a grainy finish.
I will get my camera and try to get some better pictures.

Well, that much is good at least. I'll look around a little more, and see if I can find something a little less scary.

Chuckracer · 07-11-2011, 06:23 PM

If they were broken gear teeth you'd know it. How does it run through the gears? Any skipping or destructo sounds in 1st through 6th?
If not then it could be shift fork tips. How does it shift?

vf-17 · 07-11-2011, 06:25 PM

I wont be able to post any better pics. until tomorrow.. our camera is at my inlaws house.
I did mesure them with calipers.. The thickest area measures 0.60.. The thinest measures 0.20

vf-17 · 07-11-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuckracer

If they were broken gear teeth you'd know it. How does it run through the gears? Any skipping or destructo sounds in 1st through 6th?
If not then it could be shift fork tips. How does it shift?

Everything is normal.

vf-17 · 07-11-2011, 06:35 PM

One other thing... I have owned this bike since new and have not abused it.
95% pavement.. other than that.. Gravel.

Chuckracer · 07-11-2011, 06:37 PM

I'm just guessing here, but from the shape of the pieces and description of the event I'd bet it's a shift fork. Sooner or later it will stop engaging the next gear.
Where were you headed with it?

vf-17 · 07-11-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuckracer

I'm just guessing here, but from the shape of the pieces and description of the event I'd bet it's a shift fork. Sooner or later it will stop engaging the next gear.
Where were you headed with it?

I am pulling it back home to Tennessee Fri... from Indiana.. then riding Deals Gap( The Dragon for Two days) then riding it back up to Indiana(280 MI.)

vf-17 · 07-11-2011, 07:00 PM

This bike loves the Dragon... So much fun when you pass some sport bikers with it!

Chuckracer · 07-11-2011, 07:20 PM

I'll bet it is! The 19/17's are awesome on this bike.

Well, I'd certainly go. It's not like you're headed to the Australian Outback with it...help is a phone call away. You have some sort of towing service? AMA, perhaps?

07-10-2011, 06:38 PM	#1
vf-17 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Orange Nation, USA. Oddometer: 184	Help me ID these chipped pieces I have a 05.5 A with 23,700 miles, all services performed. While changing my oil yesterday I found these two metal pieces stuck to the drain plug magnet on the bottom end of the engine. The primary oil filter did not show any sign of metal, the screen in the oil tank did not show any signs of metal and the oil screen next to the brake petal did not show any signs of metal. The engine starts good, sounds good and runs great. About 3 weeks prior to this oil change I had a high RPM miss shift and slammed it back into gear, wondering if these pieces are broken gear teeth. The pieces do have a curvature to them. I have always used motorex 10-50, full synthetic oil. The pieces look much bigger in pics than real life, largest one less than 1/4 inch long by 1/8 inch wide, also the two pieces themselves do not fit together. Hoping to go on a 600 mile riding trip this weekend, what do you all think? Attached Images __________________ 05.5'KTM 950ADV. Orange with Akras. & 19/17 Black capo's from Woody's... ZUMO 550 05'KTM 450EXC.(plated) 00'KTM 400EXC.(plated) 97'KTM 360 96"XR 400 BIG orange KTM motorcycles and BIG orange Tennessee football....GO VOLS!

07-10-2011, 06:47 PM	#2
Pete640 I hate sand....... Joined: Nov 2008 Location: Sanding something in the shed... Oddometer: 1,100	Open up your clutch cover n have a look at the basket fingers ends - it may well be from there, very pront to brakeage. If the bike is running fine Id be more than happy to go for a little '600' ride. They are a very sturdy motor and believe me you will know when it doesnt want to go any further.... __________________ Pete For those who sit at home and dream - let them... Meoni 03 950 Adventure RR - aux tanks and other bling http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=611461

07-10-2011, 06:50 PM	#3
Foot dragger beat up ex flat tracker Joined: Dec 2006 Location: chico,just below rag dump(nor-cal) Oddometer: 6,761	They do indeed look like gear parts from what I can see. Engines just dont normally spit out chunks of metal like that. Id take em to a professional mechanic and see what he thinks. Really listen close for a whine in what ever gear you slammed it back into when it missed a shift. There could be more chunks floating inside loose still. __________________ 2003 DR 650.(1976 Montesa 250 Enduro-nice!) - - 1990 MASI TEAM-3V.- 1976 Motobecane, Super-Mirage.- Kona, HumuHumuNukuNukuApua'a. Single Speed ThRaShEr BiKe. 1968 360 Greeves challenger MXer. 1999 Triumph Trophy 1200. 2011 KTM530 EXC. 2012 KONA Hei Hei Deluxe (ongoing bike issues) -2009 KTM 200XC-W.

07-11-2011, 01:24 PM	#5
MortimerSickle Semi-Adventurer Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Rainville, Orygun, where moss is a road hazard. Oddometer: 9,828	I looked at some parts I have, and the first thing laying on top was the balancer shaft, and it has gear teeth of about the size you mention. The timing gears also have that size teeth. I hesitate to even mention this, because I can't imagine why they would break. I can't tell from your photo, but does the larger piece have three tiny wear marks on it? I certainly hope not. __________________ I miss round headlights. "When I was a young man, I liked to race my horse...." - G.H.W.S. 1878-1962

07-11-2011, 06:23 PM	#8
Chuckracer More Ride, Less Google Joined: Aug 2007 Location: Lowville, NY Oddometer: 5,758	If they were broken gear teeth you'd know it. How does it run through the gears? Any skipping or destructo sounds in 1st through 6th? If not then it could be shift fork tips. How does it shift? __________________ 2003 Kawasaki KLR650 "Reality" 1993 Ducati 900SS "L'evento"

07-11-2011, 06:25 PM	#9
vf-17 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Orange Nation, USA. Oddometer: 184	I wont be able to post any better pics. until tomorrow.. our camera is at my inlaws house. I did mesure them with calipers.. The thickest area measures 0.60.. The thinest measures 0.20 __________________ 05.5'KTM 950ADV. Orange with Akras. & 19/17 Black capo's from Woody's... ZUMO 550 05'KTM 450EXC.(plated) 00'KTM 400EXC.(plated) 97'KTM 360 96"XR 400 BIG orange KTM motorcycles and BIG orange Tennessee football....GO VOLS!

07-11-2011, 06:35 PM	#11
vf-17 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Orange Nation, USA. Oddometer: 184	One other thing... I have owned this bike since new and have not abused it. 95% pavement.. other than that.. Gravel. __________________ 05.5'KTM 950ADV. Orange with Akras. & 19/17 Black capo's from Woody's... ZUMO 550 05'KTM 450EXC.(plated) 00'KTM 400EXC.(plated) 97'KTM 360 96"XR 400 BIG orange KTM motorcycles and BIG orange Tennessee football....GO VOLS!

07-11-2011, 06:37 PM	#12
Chuckracer More Ride, Less Google Joined: Aug 2007 Location: Lowville, NY Oddometer: 5,758	I'm just guessing here, but from the shape of the pieces and description of the event I'd bet it's a shift fork. Sooner or later it will stop engaging the next gear. Where were you headed with it? __________________ 2003 Kawasaki KLR650 "Reality" 1993 Ducati 900SS "L'evento"

07-11-2011, 07:00 PM	#14
vf-17 ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Orange Nation, USA. Oddometer: 184	This bike loves the Dragon... So much fun when you pass some sport bikers with it! __________________ 05.5'KTM 950ADV. Orange with Akras. & 19/17 Black capo's from Woody's... ZUMO 550 05'KTM 450EXC.(plated) 00'KTM 400EXC.(plated) 97'KTM 360 96"XR 400 BIG orange KTM motorcycles and BIG orange Tennessee football....GO VOLS!

07-11-2011, 07:20 PM	#15
Chuckracer More Ride, Less Google Joined: Aug 2007 Location: Lowville, NY Oddometer: 5,758	I'll bet it is! The 19/17's are awesome on this bike. Well, I'd certainly go. It's not like you're headed to the Australian Outback with it...help is a phone call away. You have some sort of towing service? AMA, perhaps? __________________ 2003 Kawasaki KLR650 "Reality" 1993 Ducati 900SS "L'evento"

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