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Old 08-16-2012, 06:33 PM   #301
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ah you were a cool dude

if you would like a history lesson

galipolili

winston churchill mass murderer

look it up

all volunteer

aus lost more people per head of population

than any other country in ww1

then
we had spanish flu

me never had a grandfather

ww1

turks did a great job

english navy guns would not support troops

maybe if successful would have knocked turks out of war

go and google


you might learn something

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NZ had the highest losses per capita than Aussie in WW1, but neither approached Britain or France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...y_1914_borders
Both the Royal Navy & the French Navy suffered heavy losses supporting the campaign.

Recent Aussie revisionist movies and culture would have you believe that a bunch of dinkum Aussies bore the brunt of the fighting at Gallipoli whilst fighting under hopeless British command. This simply isn’t true - 8,500 Aussies and 2,700 Kiwis died, but so did 44,000 British, 10,000 French (including 5,00 Senegalese) and 1500 Indians.

In context, most of the ANZAC soldiers were volunteers, but more likely to call themselves British, and contrary to the myth, most of them were from urban backgrounds. And sure, there were plenty of bad English officers, but at least one NZ commander had particularly harsh words for the Aussie General in command of his section of the front.

Actually the mythmaking started quite early – in the early twenties the Australian Government had the official war artist paint out the British Army pattern caps and replace them with slouch hats on Aussie soldiers.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:17 PM   #302
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You shouldn't listen to propaganda.

NZ had the highest losses per capita than Aussie in WW1, but neither approached Britain or France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...y_1914_borders
Both the Royal Navy & the French Navy suffered heavy losses supporting the campaign.

Recent Aussie revisionist movies and culture would have you believe that a bunch of dinkum Aussies bore the brunt of the fighting at Gallipoli whilst fighting under hopeless British command. This simply isn’t true - 8,500 Aussies and 2,700 Kiwis died, but so did 44,000 British, 10,000 French (including 5,00 Senegalese) and 1500 Indians.

In context, most of the ANZAC soldiers were volunteers, but more likely to call themselves British, and contrary to the myth, most of them were from urban backgrounds. And sure, there were plenty of bad English officers, but at least one NZ commander had particularly harsh words for the Aussie General in command of his section of the front.

Actually the mythmaking started quite early – in the early twenties the Australian Government had the official war artist paint out the British Army pattern caps and replace them with slouch hats on Aussie soldiers.
True, don't listen to propaganda, Irelands casualties were 35 000 from a county of less than 3 million, they were however under occupation by the British.
If I recall correctly General Hamilton who 'ran' the whole campaign never actually left his ship.....? and I don't think he held a similar post again in the war.
Most of the British forces were volunteers, I'm not sure if they brought in conscription by the end of the war.
If you get a chance stand at the Menin Gate when they do the nightly last post and visit the huge cemetery's around the Somme.
As for Myths all sides do that, what about the movie where they captured an Enigma machine from a sinking U Boat.....Americans.....I don't think so.......Or Montgomery being a better General than Rommel...yeah right.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:48 PM   #304
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:15 PM   #305
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:09 PM   #306
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You shouldn't listen to propaganda.

NZ had the highest losses per capita than Aussie in WW1, but neither approached Britain or France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...y_1914_borders
Both the Royal Navy & the French Navy suffered heavy losses supporting the campaign.

Recent Aussie revisionist movies and culture would have you believe that a bunch of dinkum Aussies bore the brunt of the fighting at Gallipoli whilst fighting under hopeless British command. This simply isn’t true - 8,500 Aussies and 2,700 Kiwis died, but so did 44,000 British, 10,000 French (including 5,00 Senegalese) and 1500 Indians.

In context, most of the ANZAC soldiers were volunteers, but more likely to call themselves British, and contrary to the myth, most of them were from urban backgrounds. And sure, there were plenty of bad English officers, but at least one NZ commander had particularly harsh words for the Aussie General in command of his section of the front.

Actually the mythmaking started quite early – in the early twenties the Australian Government had the official war artist paint out the British Army pattern caps and replace them with slouch hats on Aussie soldiers.
i learnt and saw these revisionist stats in the 60's

so now 40 years on we have more revisionist stats

i think i will go with the ones closer to the dates of occurrence

send me some links pls so you can maybe change my mind

yes oz and nz thought of themselves as british

when britian declared war we by constitution had to too.

ww2 not so

from memory not google

pls don't quote wiki

and of course most oz and nz officers came from the upper classes.

now revisionist history i have witnessed in my life time

properganda usually happens at time of occurrence

more time/ more revision

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Old 08-17-2012, 01:34 AM   #307
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I'd run out and jump in front of a sure Wallaby try to avoid 'winning' a KLR
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I have actually run down a wallaby on my KLR.
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:39 AM   #308
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You shouldn't listen to propaganda.

NZ had the highest losses per capita than Aussie in WW1, but neither approached Britain or France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...y_1914_borders
Both the Royal Navy & the French Navy suffered heavy losses supporting the campaign.

Recent Aussie revisionist movies and culture would have you believe that a bunch of dinkum Aussies bore the brunt of the fighting at Gallipoli whilst fighting under hopeless British command. This simply isn’t true - 8,500 Aussies and 2,700 Kiwis died, but so did 44,000 British, 10,000 French (including 5,00 Senegalese) and 1500 Indians.

In context, most of the ANZAC soldiers were volunteers, but more likely to call themselves British, and contrary to the myth, most of them were from urban backgrounds. And sure, there were plenty of bad English officers, but at least one NZ commander had particularly harsh words for the Aussie General in command of his section of the front.

Actually the mythmaking started quite early – in the early twenties the Australian Government had the official war artist paint out the British Army pattern caps and replace them with slouch hats on Aussie soldiers.
those Senegalese were asking for it though
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:41 AM   #309
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Harsh.

I have actually run down a wallaby on my KLR.
At least you can run over those little bastards (as the All Black said to the actress)
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:14 AM   #310
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Harsh.

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Harsh....... but fair
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Lots of wallaby carcasses over behind the Clyde?Benmore?Dam Thing? and into Black Forest...
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:38 AM   #312
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Lots of wallaby carcasses over behind the Clyde?Benmore?Dam Thing? and into Black Forest...
Plenty around the Rotorua Lakes too...
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:50 AM   #313
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Lots of wallaby carcasses over behind the Clyde?Benmore?Dam Thing? and into Black Forest...

Yup, Black Forest in the dark chasin Wallabies, great sport.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:46 AM   #314
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