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Old 07-30-2011, 06:11 PM   #31
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For the additional weight of that hog you could carry a spare final drive for your GS. Just sayin'
I think they are built a little heavier so you can tow your riding buddy's disabled GS/GSA when his final drive shoots craps?
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Old 07-30-2011, 06:21 PM   #32
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Very strange indeed.

Maybe the aurora borealis played some part in the failure?
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:24 AM   #33
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Pictures of failed FD very often show a red goop vomited from the failed seals - what I assumed to be Redline ShockProof, but it now came to my knowledge that other synth brands are blood red.
BMW's gear lube is also red.
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:46 AM   #34
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Can you put Japanese bearings in the German Motorcycle?
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:27 AM   #35
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1200 final drives are rebuildable but it does take some special tools.
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:34 AM   #36
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Damn,another final drive thread,it amazes me people keep buying these over priced behemoths. I guess the usual dumping of the bike before the warranty runs out is a really good idea. Ive had one new BMW and was quickly cured of ever having another. Kool-Aid went sour quickly.
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:38 AM   #37
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Sorry to hear about that
I had on my 06 GSA all together 5 !!! final drives.Every 13k miles a new one.BMW paid for the first 4 and by #5 they said i was overloading the bike and refused to pay.
Got a 09 now which is on 24k miles now and all is well,so far
Kinda curious,5 3000.00+ final drives and the last one you had to buy...............

So you buy another GS? All the bikes on the market and you have to have the one most likely to leave you walking along the road? Once a beemerophile always a beemerophile I guess.
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:50 AM   #38
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How's that Trump running, footdragger? lol

For my money (and remember, it is my money) I'd pay for a couple of FD's if I had to. The bike is just that good. I don't think you'd want to hear my comments on how you've chosen to spend your money. ;)
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:03 AM   #39
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Kinda curious,5 3000.00+ final drives and the last one you had to buy...............

So you buy another GS? All the bikes on the market and you have to have the one most likely to leave you walking along the road? Once a beemerophile always a beemerophile I guess.
Bog off down the thumpers forum, toad.

why haunt a forum about a bike you cannot stand?
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:05 AM   #40
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Can you put Japanese bearings in the German Motorcycle?
I took my R1150GS head bearing out, it is a KOYO bearing, plainly marked. I got one from Midpoint Bearing, just about half price.

The new BMW single cylinder has a CHINESE engine, yes CHINA! Not a Rotax, not a BMW, C H I N A !
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:10 PM   #41
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I took my R1150GS head bearing out, it is a KOYO bearing, plainly marked. I got one from Midpoint Bearing, just about half price.

The new BMW single cylinder has a CHINESE engine, yes CHINA! Not a Rotax, not a BMW, C H I N A !
And how much of Moco's crap is made in the jolly US?
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:11 PM   #42
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1200 final drives are rebuildable but it does take some special tools.
Perhaps, but who has ever actually done one? The 1100/1150 i have yet to do myself, but i am not scared to approach it including the shimming, all doable in your home workshop. The 1200 has been around for five or six years, a great many F.D.'s have shit themselves and i'm still waiting on a practical How To. Do you know of one? .
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Old 07-31-2011, 05:26 PM   #43
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Perhaps, but who has ever actually done one? The 1100/1150 i have yet to do myself, but i am not scared to approach it including the shimming, all doable in your home workshop. The 1200 has been around for five or six years, a great many F.D.'s have shit themselves and i'm still waiting on a practical How To. Do you know of one? .

Done by an inmate here: http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524238. It just depends on how much work you want to put into it.

I had the dealer do mine at 60,000+ miles with lots of hard offroad abuse. All new bearings and seals, around $800 and two year warranty. About what I spend in chain and sprockets for the same mileage with no warranty. You can also get different gear sets for the early units.
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Old 07-31-2011, 07:37 PM   #44
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bog off down the thumpers forum, toad.

Why haunt a forum about a bike you cannot stand?
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Old 07-31-2011, 08:55 PM   #45
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Anyone posting "Oh geez, another FD thread" can stick it up your ass! The ODD thing, and the reason I posted, was that BOTH bikes failed at essentially the same time.... so keep you're higher than god attitude to yourself!

Since the bikes are both under warranty, they are at the dealer having the FDs riped apart for diagnosis so i can't get into it myself and post pics....yet...

Some of my thoughts regarding posts/replies are this:

1.) I agree that way to many of these threads shout about FD failures, when it's really a leaky seal or something else...ultimately not a FD failure. This may be the case here too, with the exception that BOTH bikes lost ALL FLUID, had SEVERE rear wheel wobble and very hard knocking/rubbing felt through the pegs. Something has decided to take a nap....just not sure what.

2.) I agree that I expect to replace wheel bearings and crown bearings over time. Whe nI say "time" I mean part of a 50k or 60k service. They are wearable parts, and they wear.

3.) I agree that the economics involved would actually demonstrate in favor of the FD TCO when compared to the TCO of Chains & Sprockets, with all the chain lube and chain cleaner costs considered too.

4.) I believe that many of the bearing/FD failues are atributed to lack of maintenance, ignorance to leaks when they occur and general abuse. I can't beleive the BMW's QA is that poor that the shimming of the bearings is an issue. Maybe it is, I just can't beleive that. The earlier bikes had some desgin concerns, but the 08+ bikes seem to have figured that out.

5.) Once I know more, i.e. had a chance to chat with the dealer on Tuesday/Wednesday...I'll update more.

6.) I AM A BELIEVER in BMW. But honestly there are too many, for lack of a better term FD problems, in the field. If it's all seals...OK....there are too many seals failing, if its all wheel bearing....OK....there are too many wheel bearings failing.

Fact is, the failures on THESE two machines ended MY trip of a lifetime on a sour note....and I'm FU^%$ED off about it.

I will tell more as I know more.

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO A "PRO" or "CON" FOR BMW's FD System. I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR POSTS FROM FOLKS SAYING "I've got 100K on my drive, no problems". Those threads are plentiful here. I started this thread because to me, it's very ODD.

The intent of this thread is to share information regarding an obvious common event (not sure what event yet) that happened to both bikes, thus caused the problem.

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